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[fguffey]

I need some help, I reloaded some ammo today, 115 grain 9 mm ammo. About 100 rounds.

The last chance anyone has to check his ammo is before he pulls the trigger. There is nothing entertaining to me about pulling the trigger with no clue about what is about to happen. The shooter with the Model 66 did not know if he had no powder in one case and too much in the next one. The shooter with the 257 Weatherby rendered his rifle scarp with no clue as to what caused it. When he started he did nothing to eliminate a potential gun wrecking event.

Time proves a reloader is not willing to take the time to eliminate squib loads and the proverbial ‘must have been a double charge’.

We are moral free agents. I load on progressive presses. I will not load on a progressive press without a lock out die when loading straight wall cases. I will not load on a progressive press with bottle neck cases without a powder die.

Again, it is not easy to make something fool proof, there is something about fools I do not understand; for one they do not read.

F. Guffey

[tanks]

Ever since I bought this life changing contraption, http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1356

I don't even want to think about sorting brass by hand again, let alone sorting by head stamp.
...

Thanks for the link. I just ordered a set. Wish I had known earlier I just hand sorted 2,000 pieces of brass over the weekend.

[stilly]

And typically a discipline reloader that sorts cases by weight can cut the weight a case varies to zero. I understand; the reloader must have a few cases for that type of sorting. Then there are bullets; it is possible to weight bullets and sort by weight. There is no excuse for a reloader to finish reloading and not know the total weight of the 4 components. I do not believe ‘it must have been a double charge’ is a good excuse. Then there are excuses that are worst like ‘it must have been pre-ignition‘or ‘it must have had two flame fronts that collided’.

F. Guffey

9mm is certainly the one thing that I can do that with. I have enough cases and projectiles to be able to do it with, but unless you can compel me to make THAT much more work, I will not be doing that anytime soon, not for 9mm anyways.

Oh but I certainly know what you are talking about and I had thought about it when I first started, but then I said, let's see how well things go without all of the sorting. And things went pretty well... :\

HOWEVER It WOULD be cool to drop 20+ completed rounds on the scale one right after another and see the exact same weight... Now THAT would be cool. But not cool enough I guess to compel me to do that...

[fguffey]

Oh but I certainly know what you are talking about and I had thought about it when I first started, but then I said, let's see how well things go without all of the sorting. And things went pretty well... :\

Stilly, You understand I am not talking to the choir. When a reloader first starts it is more about mindlessly pulling the handle. The worst thing they can do is assume. With experience comes confidence, I am not the fan of telling new reloaders they should jump in at a dead run.

F. Guffey

[tanks]

And typically a discipline reloader that sorts cases by weight can cut the weight a case varies to zero. I understand; the reloader must have a few cases for that type of sorting. Then there are bullets; it is possible to weight bullets and sort by weight. There is no excuse for a reloader to finish reloading and not know the total weight of the 4 components. ...

For pistol and 223 rounds it really is not practical to weigh each individual bullet, and sort the cases by manufacturer when one is rolling out large quantity of ammo. Now if I was a GM competing in Nationals then yes I'd have brand new brass from a single source and single lot of bullets at each meet. I am a few years away from that .

[stilly]

Stilly, You understand I am not talking to the choir. When a reloader first starts it is more about mindlessly pulling the handle. The worst thing they can do is assume. With experience comes confidence, I am not the fan of telling new reloaders they should jump in at a dead run.

F. Guffey

Hmm. Even with a Jeep you have left me in the middle of the field looking for the path again...

'Scuse me while I check what page I am on...

[ar15barrels]

Hmm. Even with a Jeep you have left me in the middle of the field looking for the path again...

'Scuse me while I check what page I am on...

You are not lost in the middle of a field.
It's a different dimension you find yourself lost in.
The F.Guffey dimension...

[stilly]

And now I feel that I am standing in a quagmire and it is now dark out.

Great... Okay I am leaving this thread to never return...

[tonyjr]

Maybe a dumb question - but what is a lock out die ?

[bazineta]

Maybe a dumb question - but what is a lock out die ?

A die used in a progressive press that will prevent the press from proceeding by locking the mechanism if it detects an incorrect powder charge.

[tonyjr]

Thanks ,
I de-prime , clean pockets tumble and re-prime . So die # 1 - expands case , #2 - dumps powder , #3 seats / starts bullet , #4 sets bullet at correct depth , #5 is for crimping .
I have a load master - 5 hole turret .
I end up with at least 2 sets of either 3 or 4 die sets for each caliber .
I will check ebay - Lee does not list a lock out die .

[tonyjr]

Thanks again Hornady and RCBS only .
I would say we probably weigh 85 to 90% of reloads ,
We weigh one then the bullet box bullet times the number of
holes for bullets fill it and weigh again . The 9's 380 's and 25 all have to be on the money .
The 357 , 44 , 45 and 50 - with-in 5 grains .
Most of my cartridge cases / boxes hold 20 to 30 . So after a tube of bullets , we reweigh the powder drop .