Limitations to powder quantity?

[Need More Ammo]

Hey CG, legally can more than 20 pounds, or is 20 the legal limit in CA?

I searched online and used the search feature here, but with conflicting answers.

I debated putting this in the CA laws section, but wanted to ask you too.

Anyone have a link to the laws?

20 lbs of powder, 10,000 primers?

Thanks CG

[Fjold]

http://law.onecle.com/california/health/12102.html

This says that you cannot store primers in the same cabinet as gunpowder

(c) Quantities up to 750,000 small arms ammunition primers may be stored in a building if not more than 100,000 are stored in any one pile and piles are at least 15 feet apart.

(d) Quantities in excess of 750,000 small arms ammunition primers may be stored in a building if all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The warehouse or storage room is not accessible to unauthorized personnel.
(2) The primers shall be stored in cabinets.
(3) Shelves of storage cabinets shall not have more than a 2-foot vertical separation.
(4) Not more than 200,000 primers shall be stored in one cabinet.
(5) Cabinets shall be located only against walls of the warehouse or storage room with a minimum distance between cabinets of 40 feet.
(6) Separation distance between cabinets may be reduced to 20 feet if barricades are attached to the wall and are at least twice the height of cabinets. Barricades shall be centered between cabinets and shall extend at least 10 feet beyond the wall toward the center of the room. They are to be constructed of at least 2-inch thick lumber, brick, concrete block, or of steel plate at least 1/4-inch thick, or of equivalent materials. Barricades shall be firmly attached to the building structure at both ends.
(7) Small arms ammunition primers shall be separated by a fire-resistive wall of 1-hour rating or by a distance of 25 feet from flammable liquids, flammable solids, and oxidizing materials.
(8) The building is equipped with an automatic sprinkler system installed in compliance with Article 159.
(e) Commercial stocks of small arms ammunition primers not in the original shipping containers shall be stored in a magazine constructed as specified in Article 114.

[Need More Ammo]

So essentially no more than 20lbs of smokeless powder? Just making sure. Thanks Frank!

[stilly]

http://law.onecle.com/california/health/12102.htmlThis says that you cannot store primers in the same cabinet as gunpowder

(c) Quantities up to 750,000 small arms ammunition primers may be stored in a building if not more than 100,000 are stored in any one pile and piles are at least 15 feet apart.

(d) Quantities in excess of 750,000 small arms ammunition primers may be stored in a building if all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The warehouse or storage room is not accessible to unauthorized personnel.
(2) The primers shall be stored in cabinets.
(3) Shelves of storage cabinets shall not have more than a 2-foot vertical separation.
(4) Not more than 200,000 primers shall be stored in one cabinet.
(5) Cabinets shall be located only against walls of the warehouse or storage room with a minimum distance between cabinets of 40 feet.
(6) Separation distance between cabinets may be reduced to 20 feet if barricades are attached to the wall and are at least twice the height of cabinets. Barricades shall be centered between cabinets and shall extend at least 10 feet beyond the wall toward the center of the room. They are to be constructed of at least 2-inch thick lumber, brick, concrete block, or of steel plate at least 1/4-inch thick, or of equivalent materials. Barricades shall be firmly attached to the building structure at both ends.
(7) Small arms ammunition primers shall be separated by a fire-resistive wall of 1-hour rating or by a distance of 25 feet from flammable liquids, flammable solids, and oxidizing materials.
(8) The building is equipped with an automatic sprinkler system installed in compliance with Article 159.
(e) Commercial stocks of small arms ammunition primers not in the original shipping containers shall be stored in a magazine constructed as specified in Article 114.

Consolidated- Nice.

But where is the part about a container being made to store powder that allows you to keep like 80 lbs or whatever the amount was...

[Anemic AL]

Consolidated- Nice.

But where is the part about a container being made to store powder that allows you to keep like 80 lbs or whatever the amount was...

There is no part about that container. It's not there because it doesn't apply to most people. I believe we just went through this not too long ago.

I wonder if this San Bernardino incident will have any effect on reloaders. They found pipe bombs in their apartment supposedly. A UPS guy had a package being delivered to their apt and he reported it. They totally shut down the UPS facility for a few hours. All it takes is a UPS guy that doesn't like you and in goes an anonymous tip that you have loads of explosives being delivered. The UPS guys aren't stupid. They know what those black/white stickers on the side of the box are for.

[stilly]

Yes, we did, but I still want to see it again because it has slipped into the murky depths of CGN and I fear it might never be seen again.

WHY YOU TRYING TO HIDE IT? YOU WANNA HAVE MORE POWDER THAN THE REST OF US? SHARE!


And that is why.

[opos]

There is no part about that container. It's not there because it doesn't apply to most people. I believe we just went through this not too long ago.

I wonder if this San Bernardino incident will have any effect on reloaders. They found pipe bombs in their apartment supposedly. A UPS guy had a package being delivered to their apt and he reported it. They totally shut down the UPS facility for a few hours. All it takes is a UPS guy that doesn't like you and in goes an anonymous tip that you have loads of explosives being delivered. The UPS guys aren't stupid. They know what those black/white stickers on the side of the box are for.

I watched most of the "reporting" and rehashing of things and missed the part about the UPS guy turning them in...was that on cable news, in a paper or on the internet? Just curious about the source.

I have a Son that worked for Fed Ex in San Francisco some years ago..his territory was near Hunters point and a pretty tough neighborhood..he said frequently when he was in the area there were obvious gang bangers waiting for the deliveries from Fed Ex and UPS..he said he just blew through, dropped the packages and moved on..to have reported every dope shipment would have taken hours.

I can see a scenario where the next move is to forbid powder, primers and live ammo from interstate commerce and that kills the out of state purchases...the Interstate Commerce is a Federal thing and that's where the empty suit can invoke his phone and pen.

[edgerly779]

Per location

[Anemic AL]

I watched most of the "reporting" and rehashing of things and missed the part about the UPS guy turning them in...was that on cable news, in a paper or on the internet? Just curious about the source.

I have a Son that worked for Fed Ex in San Francisco some years ago..his territory was near Hunters point and a pretty tough neighborhood..he said frequently when he was in the area there were obvious gang bangers waiting for the deliveries from Fed Ex and UPS..he said he just blew through, dropped the packages and moved on..to have reported every dope shipment would have taken hours.

I can see a scenario where the next move is to forbid powder, primers and live ammo from interstate commerce and that kills the out of state purchases...the Interstate Commerce is a Federal thing and that's where the empty suit can invoke his phone and pen.

Took me a bit, but I finally found it. From KTLA's site:

http://ktla.com/2015/12/04/police-evacuate-ups-facility-in-san-bernardino-after-driver-discovers-package-addressed-to-suspect-residence/

Yea, I doubt drivers will care too much about what we're getting. But if you piss one off enough, who knows. I just got my new Hornady LNL kit delivered the other night. It was a bit heavy and the driver didn't get here until after 8pm. I was thinking he must be pissed to still be working that late. If I were a driver and this one house kept getting heavy packages, I'd start hating that address. 1-4 lb Amazon boxes are one thing. But 50-60 lb boxes all the time are something else. LOL!

Either way, the San Bernardino incident will screw us all in some way...

[Dnele928]

Per person. Wife and grown up kids....you do the arithmetic.

[liber]

Either way, the San Bernardino incident will screw us all in some way...

I agree...I'm prepared to his the POTUS mention "Military Style Assault Weapons" tonight in his speech...he will admit to terrorist being in the U.S. to push his agenda down everyone's throat...

[liber]

Per person. Wife and grown up kids....you do the arithmetic.

I thought it was per location. That there could only be 20 lbs. in a given address location.

[dsltech]

I was unaware there was a 20 pound limit on powder. Based on the reloading for sale section it seems common for fellow reloaders to sell off unopened and unused contains of powder in the amounts of the mid teens to 20+ pounds on a regular basis. With the shipping, hazmat fees, out of stock issues and general savings from buying in bulk I can bet most of us have more than the 20 pound limit. If I were to make a guess I would think 40-50 pounds would be a good average of what people stock up on.

[SonofWWIIDI]

check with your local Fire Marshall for the fire codes regarding storage of more than 20 lbs. I've seen threads here that have discussed it.

[BigBronco]

Did (C) state I could have 750,000 primers? Man am I understocked.