Titegroup

[Cowboy T]

It's an assault powder, give it to me so I can dispose of it safely!



The powder "Holy Wars" never end, do they? Titegroup is a versatile non-magnum handgun powder akin to Bullseye, maybe just a bit slower burning. It's good for (at least) 9mm, .45 Auto, .38 Spl, .357M, .44 Spl/Mag, and .45 Colt. Those are all I've tried it in, and it's worked just fine. Just be sure to stay above approximately 9,000-10,000 PSI with it.

[FromTheGrave]

I'm loading 3.8gr under a 124 plated at 1.125" and it's a sweet light load.

That's 3200+ rounds out of 2lbs.

[stand125]

I use it in all my pistol loads. When I first started I somehow got a double charge on 45ACP ( 9gr with a 200gr plated extreme bullet ). The 1911 kicked really hard, chronoed at 1300 fps. No damage was done to the pistol and I learned a valuable lesson on paying attention. I do load pretty light so I use a magnum primer with Titegroup to help it burn cleaner.

The LEE reloading manual actually has Titegroup data for .223.

[Hvac_dude]

I like titegroup. No issues for me yet.

[stilly]

Ok.. I'm sorry if this is beat over the head subject already but I had to bring it up on CG since it's a huge thread on the subject on another forum I frequent.

Here is the deal.. EVERYONE has a grudge with Titegroup powder.. I have 2lbs unsealed and had planned on using it until I did some research on it and I just see negativity left and right.. is it that bad of a powder or is it just one that should be used with very very extreme caution even for the most experienced loaders..? I am a beginner and haven't been able to source much in my area other than Titegroup and Unique..

I am reloading 9mm and 10mm for the majority.. and I have been told to ditch the Titegroup if I can in a trade for something else.

Really? After I just got like 8 lbs of the stuff? damn man... You is be harsh...

I have heard that the competition guys like themselves some TG. Like others have said, there is a min and max. So in typical reloading style make a ladder and see where it gets ya. I think that if so many others are making it and shooting it out of their plastic pistols that it can't be THAT bad...

Also, I think Longshot is the best for 10mm, so if you have some of that on hand, I suggest trying that for 10mm before TG. I still have not loaded any 10mm yet, but from all that I have gathered, Go Longshot or go home... That will be my first load.

But yeah, TG and HS-6, WST, HP-38 and many others are great for 9mm...

[The Cable Guy]

I'm a fan of TG. Low charge weight = more completed cartridges. The main gripe is because of the low charge weight, it's easier to overcharge the load since you can fit 2-3 times the charge within a case. I load on a progressive press, so double charging is hard to do since my press auto-rotates onto the next stage per pull of the lever.

my only gripe that it's so damn hard to find! Finally got my hands on some after 2 years of waiting.

[kmr007]

Titegroup is a great powder but just like what everyone else said, its easy to double charge if you're not paying attention. I have also found that it leaves dirty brass especially at the neck. This weekend I tried some Ramshot True Blue for 9mm and fell in love. I have 6lbs of Titegroup and probably will try and trade it for some True Blue if I cant find it available.

[Mike402]

I use Titegroup for .40 & .45. I agree with the thread consensus that you have to be careful with double/over charges. On top of that, the accuracy node is very small with it.

I ran on OCW test with Titegroup in my most accurate pistol that I own - a Sig Competition X5. I found that the lowest charge weights were always the most accurate. 25 yard four shot groups were one hole, with flyers coming from the difference in manually chambering a round vs letting the pistol do it naturally after firing (a good lesson in pistol accuracy comparisons). First round should always be shot off target.

Here's the thread I posted with pics: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=pistol+ocw

Accuracy starting opening up within .2 grains, which doesn't leave much room for error. Because of this, any match grade pistol rounds I load have to be weighed & charged manually. This only applies if you are testing accuracy in a rest w/ a match grade pistol. If you are only concerned about minute of man at close distances, I wouldn't sweat it.

[Eljay]

I have a laundry list of things I don't like about it. None are deal breakers but once I was able to get another powder in quantity I sold the 3.5 pounds I had left to a new reloader who was delighted to get it, because let's face it, the stuff does work and pistol powder was really hard to find at the time.

So what don't I like about it? In no real order...
1. It's a very dense powder, so there's the double charge issue. But I load some calibers like 38 Special where it's almost impossible to visually inspect the load, it's so far down. It's more like a x4 or x5 charge issue.
2. It's a very fine powder and my measure tended to leak it a bit.
3. It's a very hot powder. The earlier poster is right, the thing about it melting the lead is a myth, but it does smoke a LOT if you're shooting cast. I think it's actually burning off the lube.
4. It's a very fussy powder, in the sense that if your load if off by a tiny volume that might translate to a big difference in the final result.
5. It's pretty dirty.

I now use N320 for pistol except 38 Special and 45 Colt - there I use trailboss, since it's so light and fluffy you can't even double charge them. But in a pinch I'd rather use N320 than titegroup.

[jg7]

I just started testing Titegroup using Hornady 180gr XTP 44 mag bullets (light for caliber). So far I’m pretty impressed. The extreme spreads are very low and standard deviations are in the single digits. Its performance consistency reminds me of Trail Boss, but with the ability to get out of the low and into the medium load performance range.

I've only got a limited data set so far, but I’m encouraged to do more testing.

Oh, yeah, as others have mentioned, it sure does leave a lot of space in the case. I was really expecting some position sensitivity, but, that did not seem to be an issue.

[Bigtwin]

I have and use tight group for my .380acp, with good results. Mind you I trickle up the last little bit. Hard to get precise loads other wise.

[sargenv]

I like titegroup for one reason, it can be used in large cases and has no issue with this. Lots of powders are case position sensitive.. titegroup isn't one of them.. So when you have large cases (45 acp, 41 mag, 44 mag, 45 long colt) and want to shoot powder puff loads with good velocity consistency, titegroup is a good go to powder.. low charge weights, consistent..

I didn't like it in my 40 cal revolver and pistol because it really heats up the barrel, but it does work for that other application well.