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  • #46
    Grunt81
    Senior Member
    • May 2014
    • 658

    Originally posted by wpod
    This is my first (so far, only) round. The charge was hand weighed.
    When I get home on Tue I'd like to reload some to shoot.
    The Hodgson site gives me a starting charge of 3.7 gr of 700-X and a max of 4.2 gr.
    Would it be safe to load 3.7, 3.9, and 4.1 gr to see how they'll work in my full-size PX4? If so, ho many of each charge, 10 (one mag each)?
    I am going to reload all these in single-stage mode and continue to do so until I gain experience, knowledge, and confidence.
    The seating die was set using a 124 gr Federal HST cartridge. I measured the OAL before and after to make sure I didn't seat the bullet in. My reloaded round was the same OAL.
    Each mag would be marked (tape) with the charge so I make sure to start light. I would fire one round, resume breathing (lol), and inspect the case. Then fire the other 9, saving the cases in a baggie marked with the charge and twice fired.
    After these 30 rounds I would relax and shoot some more factory rounds (saving the brass in a once fired baggie.
    Am I on the right track here?
    Thank you all for the help.
    It's safe to load any charge you want, as long as, like you stated, shoot the lower charges first until you see pressure signs and are ready to pull the bullets that you know would be to hotv (if in fact, pressure signs are observed).
    I'd definitely shoot 10 rounds of each charge at a single target. I'd highly recommend resting your wrists on something such as a backpack, sandbag or shooting bag. Doing an accuracy test involves taking as much human error out of the equation as possible. Generally, max charges are fine, but you will notice a little more pep in the recoil.

    Do you have ammo boxes? I have 50 round boxes and I put a piece of masking tape with the charge written on it, in the inside of the lid, that corresponds to the rounds. 10 shots are fine. Sometimes I do 20 rounds at 2 different targets, just so I'm not at the range just for 20 minutes. Plus, more definitive results are always better.

    By the way, I've found that listed OALs are usually on the short side. You should seat just deep enough, that the bullet isn't touching the rifling at all. You should be able to put a loaded round in your chamber (barrel removed from pistol) and be able to spin it freely by hand. This tells you your rounds aren't too long as well as that the flare is adequately removed. I've noticed slightly less recoil from just 0.015" difference in seating depth. It's up to you for what your accuracy standards are, compared to factory ammo. If velocity is important to you, get a chronograph and load the hottest charge that meets your accuracy standards, and isn't overpressured.

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    • #47
      wpod
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 2395

      Went to the range and shot the first batch I ever reloaded.
      No injuries. No FTF, no FTE. Every round fired flawlessly.
      Started with 10 rounds of 115gr Blazer brass to "dirty" the barrel.
      Then 5 rounds 124gr Federal Hydra Shok, 5 rounds each reload at 3.7gr, 3.9gr, and 4.1gr.
      Then repeated the 5 round loads on a separate target. I used a rolled-up towel as a rest. (Then another 100 rounds of the Blazer brass).
      I'm sure I measured incorrectly but comparative results should be the same.
      3.9 gr yielded the smallest group (.70"), the smallest average group (1.285"), and highest score for accuracy (45 points).
      First set of 5 shots each load:

      Second set of 5 rounds each load:

      After shooting we went and got pizza.
      A good day so far.

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      • #48
        slayer61
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2014
        • 1402

        Very nice! ~applauds~

        I am in the same boat, same experience level, with about the same equipment. I loaded 20 rounds each of light, medium & heavy charge in 9 & 40 and went to the range with my Mrs. and the chrono. What fun!

        Came home and proceeded to load up the rest of the available brass!
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        • #49
          BisDak
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 662

          3.9 looks pretty good.

          What distance was this?


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          • #50
            wpod
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 2395

            Originally posted by BisDak
            3.9 looks pretty good.

            What distance was this?


            .
            7 yards.
            I have a problem using the rest, my tri-focals.
            I'm forced to look through the top of my glasses so the target is in sharp focus but my sights are a blur (this would be perfect with my bows but of course the opposite happens then).

            I've had a complaint about my sights, they seemed too high. Using somewhat of a rest shows that it's me. That's a good thing. Easier to adjust me than to adjust fixed sights.

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            • #51
              wpod
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 2395

              Well, I just can't leave things well enough alone.
              The stand was quite stable and works very well. But someone posted a pic of their setup and I copied it.
              I bought a rolling toolbox (on sale). Added a hardwood top. Cut some angle bracket to make a stable base.
              Everything in one mobile work station.

              When not in use everything packs away nice and secure.

              I like to make things like this. Here's a video of an archery work station I made.

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              • #52
                wpod
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 2395

                And here's my first reloaded .44 mag.

                200 gr XTP on top of 27.7 gr og H-110. Winchester WLP primer.
                Loaded six each at 27.7, 27.9, 28.1, 28.3, 28.5, and 28.7 gr. Lyman manual calls for 27.7 to 28.8 gr.
                Shooting out of a Ruger Super Blackhawk, 10.5" barrel.
                Last edited by wpod; 05-20-2015, 12:10 AM.

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                • #53
                  Divernhunter
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2010
                  • 8753

                  It does not look like much of a crimp in the photo. It could just be the photo. The H-110 loads require a strong crimp to function and preform best. Also NEVER go below the min charge weight with H-110 or Win 296.
                  A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
                  NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
                  SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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                  • #54
                    wpod
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 2395

                    I compared it to the crimp on some factory JSHP rounds.
                    Appears to be crimped about the same amount.

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                    • #55
                      Divernhunter
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2010
                      • 8753

                      Maybe just the photo. I have some loaded if you want to compare.
                      A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
                      NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
                      SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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                      • #56
                        wpod
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 2395

                        I went back and put a little more crimp on the reloads, just a little.

                        Looks and feels tighter than the factory load (JSHP)

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                        • #57
                          stilly
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 10685

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                          That is beautiful, man, just beautiful...


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                          • #58
                            wpod
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 2395

                            Shot my first self-reloaded .44mag.
                            No injury or property damage occurred.
                            Confidence is growing, thanks Calguns.net for the help and encouragement.

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                            • #59
                              Lead Waster
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 16650

                              My advice to newbies would be to start woth trailboss powder if there is a recope for it in the caliber you want. Very difficult to over charge with trailboss.
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                              • #60
                                wpod
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 2395

                                Beggars can't be choosers, lol.
                                I have a list of the powders I have recipes for and grab them when I find them.
                                Currently reloading 9mm and .44mag & spl. .357mag (rifle) will be next.
                                Currently have 700-X, 800-X, H-110, Power Pistol, and 4227.
                                I'm quite OCD on the recipes for reloading.

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