Top 5 reason to not get the IPHONE 4.

[Sinixstar]

"The problem i have with apple - is they assume most of their market is stupid - and thus, their market is largely stupid."
Because users, in general, are stupid. Not stupid in the low IQ sense, just 'stupid' in the computer education sense.

There are many, many people (few of whom are on this board, I'm sure, since we all seem to be pretty hardcore techies) who simply want a product that works for them right out of the box, is easy to use for what they want, and looks cool.

Apple delivers on all of those with a very pleasant experience. Granted, you get to pay for the privilege, but if you can afford it, more power to ya. I completely understand the reasoning.

I guess the question is - does apple really do it that much better?
Again - i don't think so. In terms of actual usability, I don't find the iPhone any better or worse than anything else out there. Palm, Blackberry, Droid - all usable.

The main difference is Apple does a better job of marketing it as being something "cool". Where as blackberry, Palm, Droid all market what their products do, Apple markets the "lifestyle" of being an apple user.

[Stupendous_Man]

I don't need a computer to make my droid work correctly. WHy on earth should a PHONE require a $1500+ computer in order to work correctly and seamlessly? that's called an "up sell" in the retail world - and a rip-off in the real world...

This is kind of asinine. The iPhone doesn't require an apple computer in any sense; itunes is free on any platform. My experience was smoother because I had the mac already, and btw this is still my first mac which i've had for 3 years or so now and I love it. I've upgraded the hard drive and memory myself, and partitioned it so that I've got Windows with ample space on the same computer just in case. And FYI, I have not had to use it at all.

The computer is expensive. There's no disputing that. But I've been happy with the customer support/service, and most of all the product.

I don't know anyone who got a macbook because it "looks cool". People get it because it's got an attractive and intuitive OS, and it's completely useable out of box. I get these things to make my life simpler, so it's a plus when I don't need to mess around with anti-virus trials, getting rid of a bunch of useless trial software, trying to install programs I need and get rid of every little fragmented piece of stuff I don't. Yeah it can be done and isn't the end of the world, but it's a hassle.

People hating on Apple should look at the direction Microsoft took with Windows 7, it incorporates an awful lot of what Leopard has always done for an OS "vastly superior" to apple's.

[Sinixstar]

This is kind of asinine. The iPhone doesn't require an apple computer in any sense; itunes is free on any platform. My experience was smoother because I had the mac already, and btw this is still my first mac which i've had for 3 years or so now and I love it. I've upgraded the hard drive and memory myself, and partitioned it so that I've got Windows with ample space on the same computer just in case. And FYI, I have not had to use it at all.

I guess my point was - why does it even NEED itunes? Again, anything I need to do to my phone, i do it straight from the phone. If i want to move files over to my phone quickly,i plug in a USB cable (it just acts like an external drive).

Why even bother with extra software?

Arguments about upgrading hardware, memory, etc is kind of irrelevant. There is no hardware difference between a mac/pc these days. Only difference is purely software. If you can update your Mac with no problems- you could update a PC with no problems...

[JDay]

nope. of the ~1,500,000 sold, ~350,0000 were to "new users" (of which I am one). The Evo is estimated to have sole ~150,000 and the Incredible ~100,000.

It's okay if you don't like Apple products, I didn't have an opinion either way until I switched to a Macbook Pro at work a few months ago, now I'd fight tooth and nail before going back to a Lenovo/Windows laptop. I also buy Cisco network hardware exclusively for business use. Yes it's expensive and yes it's rock solid. In Many ways Cisco and Apple are similar.

Of course, I haven't paid out of my own pocket for a single Apple product outside of the 3rd gen iPod I bought in 2003.

Try getting a business support contract with Apple, you cant.

[JDay]

I have a mac and the iphone just seemlessly integrates with the mac. That's also the reason I'm not just jailbreaking this thing and going verizon

The reason you're not jailbreaking it and going over to Verizon is because 1.) jailbreaking does not let you switch providers and 2.) Verizon is CDMA and the iPhone only supports GSM networks. Jailbreaking also does nothing to prevent iTunes from working with the iPhone (and it works just as well under Windows). What jailbreaking does do is let you install apps that Steve Jobs hasn't blessed.

[JDay]

There are many, many people (few of whom are on this board, I'm sure, since we all seem to be pretty hardcore techies) who simply want a product that works for them right out of the box, is easy to use for what they want, and looks cool.

Android does all of this.

[JDay]

People hating on Apple should look at the direction Microsoft took with Windows 7, it incorporates an awful lot of what Leopard has always done for an OS "vastly superior" to apple's.

Eye candy is just for looks, no real functionality there. What point were you trying to make?

[ArticleTheFourth]

The best reason not to buy IP4, gun's are pricless!

[ldivinag]

only proglem with sprint's 4g network?

there aint any in kalifornia!!!!

closest is vegas...

but guess what, you'll still pay for 4g service...

[Sinixstar]

only proglem with sprint's 4g network?

there aint any in kalifornia!!!!

closest is vegas...

but guess what, you'll still pay for 4g service...

There's more problems than that. Like the fact that it isn't truly 4G...



Bottom line is - most of these devices are incredibly similar. For the average end user the difference between a black-berry, droid, iPhone, Palm, etc - is going to boil down to how pretty the icons are, and how big the screen is.

Arguing which is 'superior' is kind of silly. There's really very little you can do on one that you can't do on another...

[JDay]

only proglem with sprint's 4g network?

there aint any in kalifornia!!!!

closest is vegas...

but guess what, you'll still pay for 4g service...

No, the biggest problem is that it isn't really 4G, in fact 3G networks often get better speed. Sprints network does get less latency though, however that only matters if you're playing certain multiplayer games on your laptop.

[stormy_clothing]

So the iPhone 4 will not run on a 4g network. Wow, that is kinda sad. I wonder if next years updated iPhone will?

Theres no such thing as 4g it's wimax and hsdpa+ will match the evo4g's wimax speeds.

The iphone is the best phone overall on the market, on the not best network. Many people live in areas of great coverage and the new phone does get a better signal even with the bumper case and unlike Verizon the 3g phones will work internationally in most places although there is CDMA its not as prevelant.

As far as networks go Sprint has the best future, wimax is beyond HSDPA + and LTE apple is going down both roads and Verizon is going straight to LTE but wimax is the future for both.

Given that it's the best network where there is service EVO4g is the best overall phone right now but I'll still to Verizon as I get better coverage more places for now.

People talk about processor speeds and stuff they dont fully understand - hardware is to power the software so it's the operating system that determines the phones potential - the iphone is currently best and for display, battery life, and integration among others also the closed circuit OS is superior to manage the hardware it has basically 1 complete package.

With the 2.2 upgrade and even into android 3 which google claims brings the phones out of beta and into the real android experience step up that challenge alot so does the forthcoming scorpion with 1.4 GHZ and future Motorola phones with 2GHZ and forward facing cameras ect.

Right now the network and it's closed structure are it's two crutches - next year it's going to Verizon with the broadcom quad band chip that will introduce the world phone concept that google had been striving for with the initial plans for the nexus 1.

Since Apple created the smart phones as we now know them it will be fun to see google and apple battle head to head on Verizon as both users will win and apple will revert to 4% like there PC market share ahahahahahaha Google tablet and net book integration = isuck game over

[C.W.M.V.]

Crackberry for life. Even if verizon got the iphone I see no reason to switch.
That is all...

[Rob454]

My only reason to get the new iPhone is that I have a 1st gen model.

Dont feel bad dude. i got the same thing. My co worker jsut got his today. The thing is pretty cool. I personally dont really care. i jsut liek that my boss calls me and i can check a email he sent. I have 4 apps on my phone. One is for traffic one is a maze ball game a traffic game and a WWII bomber game.
I use it to check my email correspond with the office and thats about it

[tankerman]

I passed on the iPhone and got a HTC Aria which is a bit smaller and lighter than the iphone, it runs Android 2.1 and this phone rocks

I've got one of those POS, it works better as a Frisbee than a phone.