Oak Tree Gripe

[uhlan1]

Always have a good time at their range and facilities, and their range officers are my favorite around, especially the guy always working the rifle range.

And nothing beats shooting steel all day then finishing up with a surprisingly good burger and a tall frosty beer.

I just dros'd a 10/22 with them, and it was $10 cheaper than the cheapest around, and was a painless experience, even during a busy time of day.

To the members with the torches and pitchforks: remember we need more ranges and gun shops, not fewer.

Wow! ten whole dollars and a painless experience. That's a great reason to do business with people who aided the antis and almost sank the entire state of NJ.

Kudos!

That's our problem, save a nickel and convictions go right out the window.

[cudakidd]

Haters going to hate, no matter that otgc pulled the smart gun, internet rhetoric trumps all...

And big companies that did more damage bought their reputation back with the correct donations...

Not a otgc fan but we should hold everyone to the same standard...

Done here with this thread, no changing minds... and isn't otgc a vendor here, paying money that eventually helps us by keeping this site funded?

[I Swan]

So if Lucifer had a subforum here you would be OK with that too since after all he would be helping to sustain the site?

[cudakidd]

Maybe... but apparently the powers that be here have no problem taking their money and allowing their ads. And that's more important then your opinion or mine when it comes down to it...

[Merc1138]

Not a otgc fan but we should hold everyone to the same standard...

Indeed. Bill Ruger was a piece of crap. Whoever at OTGC made the idiotic decision to support that stupid smart gun, is just as bad in my book. When OTGC is rid of that person one way or another, my opinion of OTGC might change.

In the meantime, my opinion of OTGC has no bearing on whether or not CGN accepts advertising dollars, so I don't throw a fit about it. In case you haven't noticed, it's not as if Kestryll and the mods accepted any money as a bribe from OTGC and go around cleaning up any discussion about the person in charge who made that decision being one of the biggest piece of garbage in the gun industry in recent years. Instead, the admins here actually allow discussion of that particular problem so long as it remains truthful.

I fail to see a double standard.

Now if someone had an issue with OTGC over that armatix garbage, and continued to do business there for some unknown reason, then yes that person would be a hypocrite.

[I Swan]

That is true. If the owner of this site was scrubbing and deleting any reference to the smart gun debacle which he is not, that would be quite bad. I really don't see how someone can generally justify giving Oak Tree business.

[cudakidd]

Indeed. Bill Ruger was a piece of crap. Whoever at OTGC made the idiotic decision to support that stupid smart gun, is just as bad in my book. When OTGC is rid of that person one way or another, my opinion of OTGC might change.

In the meantime, my opinion of OTGC has no bearing on whether or not CGN accepts advertising dollars, so I don't throw a fit about it. In case you haven't noticed, it's not as if Kestryll and the mods accepted any money as a bribe from OTGC and go around cleaning up any discussion about the person in charge who made that decision being one of the biggest piece of garbage in the gun industry in recent years. Instead, the admins here actually allow discussion of that particular problem so long as it remains truthful.

I fail to see a double standard.

Now if someone had an issue with OTGC over that armatix garbage, and continued to do business there for some unknown reason, then yes that person would be a hypocrite.

I agree Bill Ruger was a piece of crap. And yet his betrayal is gone and forgotten to the shooting community... just like zumbo and his remarks.

And to my knowledge there are new owners at otgc...the daughters of the prior owner. So, you are now free to give them a fresh chance.

And to accept money and advertising on this site is implied approval. After all, I would guess that Sarah Bradys money would not help her get listed as a vender here... there are decisions made on who to allow here...

And try to post negatives on their pages here...i imagine that the ban hammer will hit and rightly so... after all they paid for the right to advertise free from harassment...

[cudakidd]

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