Still No CCW Down Under.

[BigPimping]

I will never understand liberal politics on guns in Australia. This was a country founded by former criminals who the British dumped there as undesirables. You would think they might like guns!!!

[barrage]

I will never understand liberal politics on guns in Australia. This was a country founded by former criminals who the British dumped there as undesirables. You would think they might like guns!!!

They used to, but then their government went light speed on the Progressive track in the early 90's.

The stereotype of Australians in the 80's were that they were bad asses who spent weeks on walkabout in the outback. Remember Crocodile Dundee? Now they're best known for over-censoring scary video games.

[cdtx2001]

I feel for the freedom loving folk down under, an uphill battle for sure.

[Pappagiorgio]

I wonder what impact the Australian "male drought" has on the statist culture in Australia. For some reason the Qataris, Emiratis, Saudis, etc. love to employ Australian expats (males of course) as middle managers in the Arab countries, leaving a large proportion of women behind in Australia.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rel...-1226823846037

If the Australian women vote the same way American women (statistically) vote, I can see why there's a preference for nanny state government, even in a heavily "frontier" country like Australia where every form of wildlife will try to kill you.

[Paladin]

Other than a couple of sheriff's following a court order and their trying to maintain their own self-preservation,

Couple of sheriffs? Who are you referring to? I mentioned 4, not 2, and NONE of those 4 were under any court order or were parties to Peruta or Richards. Frankly, why they switch is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that they say SD = GC and start readily issuing CCWs.

name one liberal/progressive politician that said "hey, my entire party platform is all wrong, these gun owners got it right, we don't need anymore gun control." Show me that individual, and I'll believe what you are selling.

Show me one CA sheriff who was liberally issuing CCWs and then said, "Hey, I'm all wrong about CCWs, these gun control advocates have got it right, civilians don't need to carry guns." Show me that CA sheriff and I'll believe what you are selling....

As I wrote above, ~4,750,000 more Californians are living in vSI counties on 2015 Jan 01 than were on 2014 Jan 01.

[Hazard]

I agree 100% with your original sentiment OP, but you're also preaching to the choir here. You'll also find sympathetic ears here considering the unfortunate similarities our rulers in California have with your rulers in Australia regarding people's rights to defend themselves and others with lethal force if necessary.

Can't say I can get on board with your conspiracy theory though. I'm really sick and tired of them to be perfectly honest.

Sorry mate. Its not my conspiracy theory? A high ranking Australian army officer stated he knew of not one person capable of taking out so many people and injuring so few with the number of rounds fired, and secondly, people who were there, and were shut up and ignored said it was not Martin Bryant, so who would you believe, them or the media being fed by government officials?

I personally do not care who did this, all I care about is the fact that it was covered up and the entire population of sporting shooters, hunters and target pistol shooters were treated like future potential criminals and possible murderes.

Did you know the Tasmainan government had a morgue vehicle built and delivered just before the shooting capable of holding 25 or 30 bodies I think it was, and then sold it a few weeks after? I had a picture and would have posted it but unfortunately I have lost it. You might find it on google if you are interested.

[303]

Can we sent all the Anti's to Australia ? They will flourish in "no gun environment".

There are more than enough anti's here now, they are the last thing
Australia needs . The vast majority of them are full of stupid ideas.
Can remember when to own a good rifle and/or shotgun was a high
priority with a great majority of young blokes. To-day there are no doubt
some with that same ambition, but it is not talked about as much anymore.
Unless you live on a property going shooting has almost become a
hassle, signed letters of permission from a landholder, ammunition & bolts
to be locked away when travelling to a property. A new regulation is on
its way regarding the purchase of ammo, Any ammo purchased will be
recorded against your firearms licence number and details sent to the
firearms registry.
Driving on a country road at night has become a problem in many places due to the increase in kangaroo numbers . Many cars have been
badly damaged by kangaroos. Years ago kangaroo numbers were kept
down by weekend shooters.
Can remember when many of the teachers that taught at the one
teacher school where I lived had their own rifle and went shooting regularly.
Things have changed, to-day many teachers would be anti's.
,

[Hazard]

There are more than enough anti's here now, they are the last thing
Australia needs . The vast majority of them are full of stupid ideas.
Can remember when to own a good rifle and/or shotgun was a high
priority with a great majority of young blokes. To-day there are no doubt
some with that same ambition, but it is not talked about as much anymore.
Unless you live on a property going shooting has almost become a
hassle, signed letters of permission from a landholder, ammunition & bolts
to be locked away when travelling to a property. A new regulation is on
its way regarding the purchase of ammo, Any ammo purchased will be
recorded against your firearms licence number and details sent to the
firearms registry.
Driving on a country road at night has become a problem in many places due to the increase in kangaroo numbers . Many cars have been
badly damaged by kangaroos. Years ago kangaroo numbers were kept
down by weekend shooters.
Can remember when many of the teachers that taught at the one
teacher school where I lived had their own rifle and went shooting regularly.
Things have changed, to-day many teachers would be anti's.
,

G-Day mate.
I come from a time and remember very clearly the times when we could buy guns and ammo from K-Mart and or at the local bicycle shop in my home town. No Licencing, no firearms registries, no AAM Bill? I used to carry my 303 to and from school as a young boy, (aged 13 to 15,) when I was in the cadets, on the train and no one even blinked an eye. I upon leaving school joined the CMF, Citizens Military Force, and I carried my rifle to and from the base on public transport. To-day one would immediately be arrested! Sadly The ammunition Amendment bill is in force now in NSW enacted by Fatty'OBarrell, I mean Barry O'Farrell who stabbed the Shooters and Fishers party in the back regarding the hunting on public lands! He was recently kicked out of office because of his lies and deciet by his own party. The AAM Bill has done nothing to stop gun crime as the Sydney Siege proved. In fact the registry has been compromised and gun owners details have been accessed and firearms have been stolen from their properties.

Here's why Gun Laws Don't Work.


There will always be those who do not obey any laws and they find or invent or create ways around them.

How about Bronwin Bishop, Liberal Party Forign Affairs Minister, the liberal party hates guns and would like to ban the lot. But they only hate ordinary people having guns. They not only have guns, but have plenty of minders who have them as well.


If the garden Gnomes strict firearms laws removed guns from criminals hands and if they made Australia a safer place to live in, then why the above?

[BKinzey]

Lots of claims here but very little back up.

A high ranking army official?

Who? And more importantly, what background does he have to comment on shooting at an unarmed, and unprepared, populace? Does the Austrailian Army train on how to shoot tourists en mass?

Thought the claim of a bent barrel on one rifle and an exploded breech on the other was interesting. That does sound extraordinary. The claim its proof of a conspiracy? I wonder if one had such control to pull such a false flag operation why do that to the rifles? Doesn't that call attention to them (like it has)? Why not just prevent any testing or forensics on them or just falsify the results?

[Jimi Jah]

I guess you can say the same for us in California!!!

Any former gun loving Aussie would be tickled pink to have the gun rights we have in California, that goes for most of the world too.

[Hazard]

Lots of claims here but very little back up.

A high ranking army official?

Who? And more importantly, what background does he have to comment on shooting at an unarmed, and unprepared, populace? Does the Austrailian Army train on how to shoot tourists en mass?

Thought the claim of a bent barrel on one rifle and an exploded breech on the other was interesting. That does sound extraordinary. The claim its proof of a conspiracy? I wonder if one had such control to pull such a false flag operation why do that to the rifles? Doesn't that call attention to them (like it has)? Why not just prevent any testing or forensics on them or just falsify the results?

Start here;
"Brigadier Ted Sarong DSO OBE, the former head of Australian Forces in Vietnam and one of the world's leading experts on counter-terrorist techniques and their application. In an interview with Frank Robson in the Sydney Morning Herald on 10 April 1999, Brigadier Serong makes it plain that Martin Bryant could not have been responsible for the mass murder at Port Arthur. "There was an almost satanic accuracy to that shooting performance" he says. "Whoever did it is better than I am, and there are not too many people around here better than I am". He continues "Whoever did it had skills way beyond anything that could reasonably be expected of this chap Bryant ... if it was someone of only average skills, there would have been many less killed and many more wounded. It was the astonishing proportion of killed to wounded that made me open my eyes first off." Brigadier Serong believes more than one person was involved and directly infers that the mass murder at Port Arthur was a terrorist action designed to undermine Australian national security. "It was part of a deliberate attempt to disarm the population, but I don't believe John Howard or his Government were involved. Howard is being led down a track. He doesn't know where it's leading, and he doesn't much care..."" http://southeastasianews.org/portart..._years_on.html

http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/main.html

http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/mcgregor_speech.html

http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/questions.html

http://southeastasianews.org/portarthur/images.html

[randomBytes]

Any former gun loving Aussie would be tickled pink to have the gun rights we have in California, that goes for most of the world too.

Yep, as bad as things are in CA, it is way better than Australia.

[BKinzey]

Start here;
"Brigadier Ted Sarong DSO OBE, .... "Whoever did it is better than I am, and there are not too many people around here better than I am"....

Um, Brigadier Billy Badazz was in his '80s when he made this statement. He was born in 1915, the shooting was 1996 and this interview took place in 1999.

[303]

As far as having CCW in Australia goes, I believe that the greater majority
of people just do not have the mindset for it. Stand your ground is not encouraged here by the government or police, in fact it is almost as if you are infringing on a criminals rights.
Using a firearm to defend against a home invasion is almost impossible
as they are supposed to be locked away with ammo locked away separately. If
you decide to, say keep a rifle/shot gun within easy reach and use it on a
robber/ home invader, you would stand every chance of being charged with a
premeditated crime.
In 2004 a security guard shot and killed a robber who attacked and
injured her with a knuckle duster while in the process of stealing over $40000
that she was taking to bank.
She was charged with murder but was found not guilty by a jury,
A great number of the public were in strong support of her actions, but there
were also many who were not supportive, including some journalists, plus the
usual bleeding hearts and do gooders.
Her security guard licence was revoked and her gun licence cancelled,
the reason being that she was a danger to the public. An asset to the public
would be a more fitting description.

[Hazard]

Um, Brigadier Billy Badazz was in his '80s when he made this statement. He was born in 1915, the shooting was 1996 and this interview took place in 1999.