Still No CCW Down Under.

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No Sorry, he was a lying, gun hating weak PM.

Lying. Yes (Most MPs are)
Gun Hating. Yes (His wife was supposedly worse than him and it has
been said that she influenced him greatly in the enacting of the
new gun laws).
Weak. No.

[Hazard]

Lying. Yes (Most MPs are)
Gun Hating. Yes (His wife was supposedly worse than him and it has
been said that she influenced him greatly in the enacting of the
new gun laws).
Weak. No.

In my opinion he was weak. He allowed his personal feelings influence his actions after his wife brow beat him into submission. He had no valid reason to punish law abiding Australian gun owners. He never called for a Royal Commission to investigate the entire affire. The government held a Royal Comission into the deaths of four sailors on the HMS Westralia who were "ACCIDENTLY" killed in a fire on board ship. Why didn't he order a Royal Commission the Port Arthur massacar and have it thoroughly investigated? Because it was a set up and he knew it! WEAK COWARD, bowing down to his gun hating wife and the world anti-gun groups and lobby.

He often publicly stated that his wife helped him in many discisions he had to make. Australia voted for the Liberal Party, not him and especially not his wife, or their personal opinions on firearms. The liberal party put him up as leader of the party purely and simply because they had no one else, and they found him at the bottom of their barrel. (pardon the pun).

Because our government is full of piss-weak politicians who are useless, lazy, and most are cowards who run with the party line and not with what their constituents want and elected them to do, as soon as there is a firearms attack or incident anywhere in the world, they, with the help of the media immediately jump on it and make a big deal out of nothing that would be constructive to us here. They use these incidents to take the public eye off their incompetence. The continue to make up new useless laws which does nothing but punish law abiding sporting shooters and member of the public.

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Howard (PM in question) is/was a little twerp.

Gunl laws in Australia were pretty f'd up before this event.
I recall a claim from guy who ran service (gas) station where first killing took place - said he had a gun and could have used it to stop the guy - if it weren't locked up and disabled as required by law.
IIRC there was a royal commission investigation into port arthur.

The claim that this was a special forces type black op, sounds like BS.
Not even a twerp like Howard would sanction that.
Besides totally unskilled sweaty teenagers can shoot fish in a barrel well enough to rack up a good score, when there's no one to resist.

[Hazard]

Howard (PM in question) is/was a little twerp.

Gunl laws in Australia were pretty f'd up before this event.
I recall a claim from guy who ran service (gas) station where first killing took place - said he had a gun and could have used it to stop the guy - if it weren't locked up and disabled as required by law.
IIRC there was a royal commission investigation into port arthur.

The claim that this was a special forces type black op, sounds like BS.
Not even a twerp like Howard would sanction that.
Besides totally unskilled sweaty teenagers can shoot fish in a barrel well enough to rack up a good score, when there's no one to resist.

Explain this then;

"It was commented that the kill rate was too high i.e., proportion of wounded to killed.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~nedwood/Pam06.html

Joe Vialls, an independent investigator with thirty years direct experience of international military and oil field operations

"Though Australia has tens of thousands of skilled sporting shooters it has very few combat veterans, and even fewer special forces personnel trained to kill large numbers of people quickly in an enclosed space like the Broad Arrow Cafe, which is roughly the same size as mock-up rooms used for practicing the rescue of hostages being held in confined spaces by armed terrorists.

"It is hard to kill quickly under such circumstances for a number of unpleasant reasons, including the fact that shot people tend to fall against other people, shielding the latter from subsequent bullets.

"Targets therefore have to be shot in a careful sequence with split-second timing to maximise kill rates.

"Whoever was on the trigger in Tasmania managed a kill rate well above that required of a fully trained soldier, an impossible task for a man with Martin Bryant's mid-sixties IQ and his total lack of military training, which is an interesting but largely unimportant observation because we have already proved in absolute scientific terms that Bryant could not have acted alone."

"This man might have been an indispensable asset stopping speeding car-bombers in Beirut, but his professional skills were far too conspicuous for Port Arthur."

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Port Arthur Coverup

http://loveforlife.com.au/node/7030

By Ian McNiven
Information About The Deception & Coverup At Port Arthur
Email: editor @ shootersnews.addr.com
You can contact the Website Media Spokesman where this information came from
Ian McNiven. Phone International (0011 61) 428 186 103 or Local: 0428 186 103

Forward By Ian McNiven

The Editor of the Shooters News has given me the honor of writing the forward to this important freedom website. The so called Port Arthur massacre, which we were told was carried out by the "lone nut gun man", Martin Bryant, was used to implement National Gun Laws in Australia. Law abiding gun owners were vilified, demonised and treated like potential mass murderers by the controlled Australian Media, in an attempt to create a mind set of collective guilt for Port Arthur. The vast majority of Australian Gun Owners rejected this program of mass psychological control and kept their guns. This created about 3 million "armed criminals" in Australia. Unfortunately for the two conservative parties in Australia ( Liberal and National ) who brought in the Gun Laws, all these people and their families still vote. This has brought about the political destruction of those two parties and ushered in a period of political instability in Australia, unparalleled in its history.

Thanks to the efforts of a growing band of courageous investigators, a body of powerful, irrefutable evidence, gleaned from government documents and eye witness reports has been collected. This evidence indicates that the Port Arthur Massacre was conceived, planned , carried out and covered up by persons unknown, with the assistance of some elements of the Australian Government, Media, Police, Army and Intelligence Community. If we accept that the Port Arthur Massacre was a planned act to disarm the Australian people and we accept that Waco and Oklahoma City fall into the same category, it is evidence that powerful forces of evil are at work on this planet. If those forces are allowed to seize global control, it will bring a period of trauma for the Freedom Loving People of Earth that will make the holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic. I am talking about the elimination of all persons on this planet deemed to be surplus to requirements. If you think this a bit far fetched cast your mind back into recent history. Russia, under Stalin, 20 million dead, China under Mao, 80 million dead to name but two. Those of you who read this and are inclined to join us in the coming struggle should understand that it will not be easy and that your efforts may not be crowned with glory.

[Hazard]

Wendy Scurr

http://www.publicdebate.com.au/php/forums/getpost.php?post_nb=12660&page=2

"I have read Joe Vialls book, I was heavily involved in the Massacre itself, I was working at Port Arthur. I know that what Mr Vialls is stating is true and that the official version is one hell of a cover up. The video footage is one issue, the time factor is another, why did it take police 6 hrs to arrive except for one policeman at 4.30pm and two female officers at 5.30pm to control over 500 people and 5 major crime scenes.

"There many other issues to be considered. But it is one huge coverup."

And, "We now know the weapons used were not the crippled AR-15 and FN-FAL found at Seascape, and we also know the shooter was not Martin Bryant, because he was completely contained by SOG personnel throughout the entire period in the same Seascape compound as both crippled weapons. " -- Joe Vialls

1. Both Martin Bryant's weapons were found CRIPPLED after the Seascape siege.

2. Somebody was firing back at police DURING the seige. What weapons were they using?

Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day demonstrated professional skills equal to some of the BEST SPECIAL FORCES SHOOTERS IN THE WORLD.

HIS CRITICAL ERROR LAY IN KILLING TOO MANY PEOPLE TOO QUICKLY WHILE INJURING FAR TOO FEW, THEREBY EXPOSING HIMSELF FOR WHAT HE WAS: A HIGHLY TRAINED COMBAT SHOOTER PROBABLY RANKED AMONG THE TOP 20 SUCH SPECIALISTS IN THE WESTERN WORLD.

This inquiry will also look into:

(1) Why the police were not able to attend Port Arthur until several hours later, and I mean suitably armed police.

(2) Why the Tasmanian Police force was unable to contain "a solitary gunman" without interstate help.

(3) Why the exit door on a public building was unable to open, thus costing seven lives.

(4) How a suspect who had not been arrested, charged, or even ID'ed, could be identified via the media thus violating his right to an unprejudiced trial.

(5) The concerted events & circumstances that transpired to alter Bryant's plea to guilty

(A period of 9 months (?) lapsed before Martin Bryant was eventually persuaded to plead guillty, which was done under emotional duress and much coaxing.)

(6) Why a trial never took place despite Bryant's plea of innocent.

(7) Why the law was subverted by not holding an inquest.

(8) How a federal politician was able to subvert the Constitution and instruct the Judiciary.

(9) The lack of official help and support for victims/survivors.

(10) Addressing the anomalies and plethora of "coincidences" relating to Port Arthur.

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I agree 100% with your original sentiment OP, but you're also preaching to the choir here. You'll also find sympathetic ears here considering the unfortunate similarities our rulers in California have with your rulers in Australia regarding people's rights to defend themselves and others with lethal force if necessary.

Can't say I can get on board with your conspiracy theory though. I'm really sick and tired of them to be perfectly honest.

[epilepticninja]

FIFY

There's your answer?.

Damn, I was just going to say the same thing. This state is headed for the same b.s. that Aussieland is dealing with. The only thing staving off the inevitable right now are the courts. The politicians could care less what gunowners think or say since most California pol's are gun hating progressives.

[epilepticninja]

Are you comparing the entire nation of Australia w/one of the most liberal states in the United States???

At the FEDERAL level, "gun control" laws are Dead on Arrival (DOA). See:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/30/why-most-americans-oppose-more-gun-control/

Even in CA, this past election cycle, a PRO CCW sheriff's candidate (Warnke) prevailed over an anti in Merced and, as we speak, is in the process of rewriting MSO's CCW policy! That's a county of 263,000 people. Small, sure, but that's still a gain. Also, during the last election cycle, the sheriff of San Joaquin Co switched to SD = GC to ensure his reelection against an outspoken pro CCW contender. That's another 700,000 CAians!

Plus, in addition to all of the various RKBA cases (roster, hicap, etc) that are working themselves thru the 9th Circuit, trial or appeals courts, brought by CGF, SAF, and/or the NRA, we've got several more brought by Birdt and Nichols that might actually help too.

Last, although Peruta has not been finalized yet, Ventura and Orange counties decided to go vSI (SD = GC), liberating another 836,000 and 3,000,000 CAians respectively. Since, as with the Shall Issue 42 states, the streets won't "run red with blood" as CCWers shot people over parking spaces and fender benders AND all of those folks who do get CCWs become pro-CCW activists, I highly doubt that even if Peruta gets overturned en banc that either Ventura or Orange county SO's will go back to restrictive issuance.

So, in the past year alone, ~4.75 MILLION CAians have gone from living in "rare issue" to vSI counties!

And you're comparing that to the Australia where gunnies aren't having any successes???

Other than a couple of sheriff's following a court order and their trying to maintain their own self-preservation, name one liberal/progressive politician that said "hey, my entire party platform is all wrong, these gun owners got it right, we don't need anymore gun control." Show me that individual, and I'll believe what you are selling.

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Wow, just read some of that stuff by Joe Vialls, lots of assertions of absolute scientific proof - but I didn't see any links to data.

Also he doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about - confusing contact range with point-blank, and "assault rounds" form an AR - sounds as bad as the media.
I didn't spot where he established the 15s timeline but was skimming by then

ETA ok found it - sound track from video recording is the basis for the rapid fire claims, yet another article linked says witnesses said duration was 5-6 minutes, and police etc apparently claiming 90s.

ISTR a school shooting a couple of years ago; kid with a .22 target pistol in school cafe KTIR of 5:1

None of which means there wasn't a coverup etc...

ETA oh and seems my recollection of a royal commission was false - probably just calls for one.

[BKinzey]

11 Is it significant that no Jews nor Freemacs nor Politicians and their relatives 'were amongst the deads'?

Yeah, the Jews, Freemacs (Freemasons?) and the politicians were all sent emails through the Underworld Internet that nobody else knows about and told to stay away. Of course they all planned it anyway.

Yeah, the wack-a-doodle is so strong in that statement that it casts a huge shadow over the others.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It ain't there.

BTW, if anybody is interested, I looked it up and only one half of one percent of Australia's population is Jewish. So there's that.

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Yeah, the Jews, Freemacs (Freemasons?) and the politicians were all sent emails through the Underworld Internet that nobody else knows about and told to stay away. Of course they all planned it anyway.

Yeah, the wack-a-doodle is so strong in that statement that it casts a huge shadow over the others.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It ain't there.

BTW, if anybody is interested, I looked it up and only one half of one percent of Australia's population is Jewish. So there's that.

Yeah, but Nazi moon bases...

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A license was required for a handgun in NSW from the late 1920s, have been told they were not hard to obtain providing you had a valid reason such as
carrying sums of money , protection of a business from robbery, not sure
on self defence.
Until the enactment of Howards GL, buying a rifle or shot gun was
not a problem.
Firearms licences came into being in the early 90s.
Feel that about this time, regulations regarding handguns began to
tighten up.
For a long time it had been the Labor Partys intention to disarm
the puplic ( was on their books in 1947). To have introduced laws in this
regard would have meant electoral defeat.

During the early 80s Labor Premier (nsw) Neville Wran stated
that he would not be happy until firearms were removed from every home in NSW.
In 1987 NSW Labor Premier Barry Unsworth thought he'd give
it a go, he was swept from office at the forthcoming election.
Could not vote Howard out after 1996, as there was
only worse to take his place especially in regard to firearm laws.
Always felt the National Party should have stood up to Howard,
more than they did, but in a letter I received from their leader at the time,
stated that without their contribution the laws would have been much worse.

[dwtt]

Does Australia have the right to own firearms in its constitution?
The Bill of Rights in the US constitution is the reason why our country is the greatest country on this planet and why millions of people in sh$thole countries want to come here.

[teg33]

Can we sent all the Anti's to Australia ? They will flourish in "no gun environment".

[Sikvenum93]

There will never be ccw in Kangaroo land. Their reaction will be the exact opposite. Instead of tackling the real problem of extremism, they will respond b6 trying to ban guns.