Still No CCW Down Under.

[Hazard]

[flyerq68]

I understand your frustration, however the government couldn't have done it without the people endorsing it. The mindset of the average citizen is going to have to change before the polls will act.

[Hazard]

The sheeple here were lied to, the Port Arthur killings in Tasmania were a set up. No investigation and was what was discovered was covered up! Read it for yourself.

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Port Arthur Massacre

There is reason to think the Port Arthur massacre was planned as early 1987 when, after a specially called Premier's meeting in Hobart in December 1987, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania"

On Sunday, 28 April 1996, at a sleepy little tourist location known as Port Arthur, something went down that will long live in memory of Australia's collective psyche. An unknown professional combat shooter opened fire in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Tasmania. In less than a minute 20 people lay dead, 19 of them killed with single shots to the head, fired from the right hip of the fast-moving shooter.

The awesome display of combat marksmanship was blamed on intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, who was held in illegal strict solitary confinement for more than 120 days, until he was "ready" to plead guilty. There was no trial. Within a matter of weeks legislation was passed to removed semi-automatic weapons from the Australian population and a gun buy-back proceeded. It is now illegal to own any semi-automatic gun in Australia.

The Port Arthur Massacre has come to be known in conspiracy circles as a "psyop". The definition of a psyop is a psychological operation or an event designed to drum up public support for some piece of legislation that would be otherwise be unpopular and probably be defeated.

It is one of the signs of a propaganda campaign when the media continuously plays up scenes that are designed to appeal to gut level instincts to soften people up for the solution to be offered.

The media were totally oriented around sensationalising the distress and trauma, played the scenes over and over, always cutting to updates on any developments and in effect the public were bombarded continuously day in and day out for weeks over the issue. At the same time a long list of facts or discrepancies were overlooked. Any calls for a royal commission fell on deaf ears, the media were later instructed not to talk about the subject anymore and the files have been closed for 30 years.

The Port Arthur massacre occurred on 28 April there was legislation prepared by mid May with plans for a national buyback of automatic and semi-automatic rifles.


Prior to 1996 Australia had huge number of sporting shooters traditionally used in time of war to both train and supplement our miniscule armed forces.
However, since the psyop at Port Arthur more than 400,000 reserve forearms have been pulped instead of stored by the Federal Government. - Joe Vialls"

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Joe Vialls, an independent investigator with thirty years direct experience of international military and oil field operations

"Though Australia has tens of thousands of skilled sporting shooters it has very few combat veterans, and even fewer special forces personnel trained to kill large numbers of people quickly in an enclosed space like the Broad Arrow Cafe, which is roughly the same size as mock-up rooms used for practicing the rescue of hostages being held in confined spaces by armed terrorists.

"It is hard to kill quickly under such circumstances for a number of unpleasant reasons, including the fact that shot people tend to fall against other people, shielding the latter from subsequent bullets.

"Targets therefore have to be shot in a careful sequence with split-second timing to maximise kill rates.

"Whoever was on the trigger in Tasmania managed a kill rate well above that required of a fully trained soldier, an impossible task for a man with Martin Bryant's mid-sixties IQ and his total lack of military training, which is an interesting but largely unimportant observation because we have already proved in absolute scientific terms that Bryant could not have acted alone."

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm

[Dee_Dub]

There are too many dangerous things on the island already(snakes, bugs, spiders..gators). I dunno what I would do if I lived there. There are many many battles you will have to win to get your rights back not to mention getting the people to back it as well. Id say most of the population is ok without having guns. Sadly I don't see any change... ever... Even if there are more incidents like this. I would think the gov would change/improve security tactics before giving guns back to the people. Sorry for predicament OP. Stay safe.

[Hazard]

Wendy Scurr

http://www.publicdebate.com.au/php/forums/getpost.php?post_nb=12660&page=2

"I have read Joe Vialls book, I was heavily involved in the Massacre itself, I was working at Port Arthur. I know that what Mr Vialls is stating is true and that the official version is one hell of a cover up. The video footage is one issue, the time factor is another, why did it take police 6 hrs to arrive except for one policeman at 4.30pm and two female officers at 5.30pm to control over 500 people and 5 major crime scenes.

"There many other issues to be considered. But it is one huge coverup."


Unexplained discrepancies



1 Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day demonstrated professional skills equal to some of the best special forces shooters in the world.
His critical error lay in killing too many people too quickly while injuring far too few, thereby exposing himself for what he was: a highly trained combat shooter probably ranked among the top 20 such specialists in the western world.

2 There was lack of forensic evidence at Port Arthur. There were no tests to matched Martin Bryant's guns and no fingerprint comparisons from the Broad Arrow Cafe.
3 Both the guns Martin Bryant supposedly used were damaged to the point where forensic tests to match cartridges to guns weren't possible. The damage to the guns could have occurred in either of two ways.
(1) A cartridge blowing up in the breach which would mean the user would have a damaged hand which Martin Bryant didn't have.

(2) Deliberate use of explosives remotely detonated, which is a trick learned by special forces to avoid make positive identification impossible. This must have been done somewhere other than where the guns were found at Seascape because, despite a thorough search of the area, some gun parts were never found. The guns shown to media were a reconstructed version with missing pieces supplied from police weapons archives, a fact which was never mentioned in the mass media.

4 No legally valid eye witnesses to the massacre. Out of the few survivors of the massacre who were able to identify the shooter, non were called on to identify Martin Bryant as the shooter. It was explained that these people had been put through enough trauma and their evidence would not be required.
5 Martin Bryant was left handed, the shooter was right handed.
6 Police decoyed away from scene just before shooting began on a "first time in history since records began" hoaxed call to pick up some heroin which turned out to be soap power.
7 Descriptions of the shooter didn't match. Eye witnesses to the shooting describe the shooter as being around 20 with golden blonde hair a few inches below his shoulders which was straight, with rat tails and a heavily pock-marked face.
Martin Bryant was 29, had whitish blonde, slightly curly hair which was just above shoulder length and a clear complexion.
8 Martin Bryant had an IQ of 66 (average IQ 90-110), making it hard to believe that he could have planned and executed the massacre with any degree of efficiency.
9 A refrigerated hearse large enough to hold 22 people was bought before the operation which was considered strange. After the massacre it was disposed of.
10 Martin Bryant underwent trial by media, assumed guilty, human rights abused.
11 Is it significant that no Jews nor Freemacs nor Politicians and their relatives 'were amongst the deads'?
12 Faked "first time ever" video showed overcast sky when the actual massacre happened when the sky was clear.
To this day efforts are still being made to prevent anybody getting a photo of Martin Bryant to compare with the video.

13 The very fact that his back was on fire when he exited Seascape Cottage, and the fact that he came out unarmed, and that he said "Don't shoot, I am the hostage", should have received immense scrutiny.
14 ASIO were on the scene too quickly making it look like they had fore knowledge. How soon was ASIO on the scene after the incident? What is meant by 'ASIO screened out some people'?
15 What Hobart logs of departure were falsified? enroute Melbourne CTR logs, Bankstown secondary arrival log falsified?
Various airport departure and arrival logs were falsified which points to a well co-ordinated escape strategy for the actual shooter and his accomplice.

16 30 year embargo on evidence
Anyone wishing to pursue the matter beyond this point should read the item "Port Arthur - What Next?" printed alongside Joe Vialls' report.

[Paladin]

Why don't Aussi gunnies vote the politicians out of office who passed those laws? Why don't they vote into office politicians who say they'll repeal those laws? Why don't you guys form an organization like our National Rifle Association (NRA)? Why don't you gunnies organize using online forums?

Or are you doing all of those things and yet failing???

[Doheny]

Why don't California gunnies vote the politicians out of office who passed those laws? Why don't they vote into office politicians who say they'll repeal those laws? Why don't you guys form an organization like our National Rifle Association (NRA)? Why don't you gunnies organize using online forums?

Or are you doing all of those things and yet failing???

FIFY

There's your answer?

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[Hazard]

FIFY

There's your answer?

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That's funny. Yes, we too have plenty of sheeple who hunt fish and participate in all outdoor sports yet they are rusted on labour or greens supporters and continue to vote for them????
We now do have a party called the Shooters and Fishers party which is growing, ever so slowly, and is hated by all politicians of every Ilk, and worst of all the media! hopefully, before the crap hits the fan and totally wipes out the few die-hard's like myself, Law abiding sporting shooters, hunters, fishers and target pistol shooters, and common sense will prevail. People are getting tired of being bashed, raped, home invaded, shops being robbed at gun point, and now terrorists becoming more active even here Down Under! They are saying, Are we as safe as the Garden Gnome, (Little John Howard, former prime Minister), said straight after the Martin Place siege, my gun laws have made Australia safer???????????

[303]

Gun laws in Australia are as they are thanks to a strong PM,a weak coalition,
a compliant opposition(who were more anti than the party in power) a
cooperative media, plus a good % of anties and nothing like the NRA to
assist or organise opposition.
The Port Arthur shooting gave the PM the go ahead he needed to
implement his gun laws (both the PM & his wife were gun haters).
The new laws & buy back were enacted quickly, leaving little
time for organised protest.
I feel the average gun owner could have done more, have often wondered how many took the time to write to their local MP.

[Paladin]

FIFY

There's your answer?

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Are you comparing the entire nation of Australia w/one of the most liberal states in the United States???

At the FEDERAL level, "gun control" laws are Dead on Arrival (DOA). See:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/12/30/why-most-americans-oppose-more-gun-control/

Even in CA, this past election cycle, a PRO CCW sheriff's candidate (Warnke) prevailed over an anti in Merced and, as we speak, is in the process of rewriting MSO's CCW policy! That's a county of 263,000 people. Small, sure, but that's still a gain. Also, during the last election cycle, the sheriff of San Joaquin Co switched to SD = GC to ensure his reelection against an outspoken pro CCW contender. That's another 700,000 CAians!

Plus, in addition to all of the various RKBA cases (roster, hicap, etc) that are working themselves thru the 9th Circuit, trial or appeals courts, brought by CGF, SAF, and/or the NRA, we've got several more brought by Birdt and Nichols that might actually help too.

Last, although Peruta has not been finalized yet, Ventura and Orange counties decided to go vSI (SD = GC), liberating another 836,000 and 3,000,000 CAians respectively. Since, as with the Shall Issue 42 states, the streets won't "run red with blood" as CCWers shot people over parking spaces and fender benders AND all of those folks who do get CCWs become pro-CCW activists, I highly doubt that even if Peruta gets overturned en banc that either Ventura or Orange county SO's will go back to restrictive issuance.

So, in the past year alone, ~4.75 MILLION CAians have gone from living in "rare issue" to vSI counties!

And you're comparing that to the Australia where gunnies aren't having any successes???

[Paladin]

That's funny. Yes, we too have plenty of sheeple who hunt fish and participate in all outdoor sports yet they are rusted on labour or greens supporters and continue to vote for them????
We now do have a party called the Shooters and Fishers party which is growing, ever so slowly, and is hated by all politicians of every Ilk, and worst of all the media! hopefully, before the crap hits the fan and totally wipes out the few die-hard's like myself, Law abiding sporting shooters, hunters, fishers and target pistol shooters, and common sense will prevail. People are getting tired of being bashed, raped, home invaded, shops being robbed at gun point, and now terrorists becoming more active even here Down Under! They are saying, Are we as safe as the Garden Gnome, (Little John Howard, former prime Minister), said straight after the Martin Place siege, my gun laws have made Australia safer???????????

Until the last 10 years or so, our MSM had NO pro-RKBA articles. Now you see some, but mainly only from FOX or the Wash Times -- national, yes, but not the historical MSM powerhouses.

The internet and grassroots activism is where you guys have to train now, gaining members and strength, before engaging in major political battles.

FWIW I hope you add something about "self-defense" or the like in the name of your group. Until about 10 years or so ago, most gun buyers said their primary reason for buying was target shooting/hunting. Nowadays it is self-defense.

Your group may want to contact our NRA for ideas/tips on how to proceed politically. They're the experts at political activism (and have gotten a lot better re. litigation).

Wish you guys the best!

[Jimi Jah]

Like any democracy or republic, you have the government you deserve. Apparently, Aussie's are OK with no gun rights.

[Doheny]

Like any democracy or republic, you have the government you deserve. Apparently, Aussie's are OK with no gun rights.

My point exactly.

(you're a wise man)



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[titan2]

Like any democracy or republic, you have the government you deserve. Apparently, Aussie's are OK with no gun rights.

My point exactly.

(you're a wise man)



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I guess you can say the same for us in California!!!

[Hazard]

"Gun laws in Australia are as they are thanks to a strong PM,"

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No Sorry, he was a lying, gun hating weak PM., terrified of the Australian people. He wore a bullet proof vest under his suite coat when addressing Australian farmers in Queensland as to why he was banning guns, which every one could plainly see.

Later he publicly stated; "I HATE GUNS," (His and his wife's personal feelings and opinion which should have nothing to do with running a country), they probably hate eating snot as well, but they never felt the need to make this public! . . . .and after the gun bans and steal back stated. "IM NOT A BANNER OF THINGS?" He is popularly known Down Under as, "THE GARDEN GNOME!" He still sticks his bib in when ever something happens here or in the USA regarding firearms and continues to lie to the public saying, "MY GUN LAWS HAVE MADE AUSTRALIA SAFE."

Tell that the unarmed innocent people here who have died at the hands of criminals and terrorists.