Best AR for CCW

[Press Check]

If your pistol is under 26", and you absolutely have to have a VFG, that would be the one and ONLY reason to register the pistol as an AOW.

[geoint]

I CCWed my M92 pap back in Texas a few times. But there its legal


Even without the Sig brace its too big for anything but off body, but I used a tennis bag a few times with it. I knew it was overkill, I just wanted to see if anybody would think it was weird. Nobody ever gave a crap and I got bored and went back to real pistols lol

[Decoligny]

What's the best AR for CCW? I'm worried about printing and I don't want to carry one in the chamber because of what people will think of me. Also if it has a big clip that would be cool too. Bigger is always better. I'm going to be carrying it at my 12 so do you think I can still get away with my skinny jeans or should I move to something more tactical? Thx!

Yoga Pants are the only way to go when CCWing an AR.

[surplus-addict]

Stop spreading FUD. If an arm brace makes a pistol become an SBR then so does a pistol buffer tube.

Sent from my LG G3

CA's SBR laws dude, not federal. The wording is so vague they could easily pin you. You wanna chance it? Go ahead, but be aware of the possible consequences is all.

[Capybara]

I really wanted to have my AR pistol and AOW added to my CCW but my interviewing detective said, "no." When I asked why, he said they don't want public exchanges of gunfire with .223 rounds flying around and the AOW, he didn't elaborate. Of course I wouldn't actually conceal carry either but the AR pistol or the AOW sure would be nice to legally have riding around in the truck or RV loaded for road trips, camping, etc. Maybe someday. At this point, I feel lucky to just be able to legally carry. In every other state, it is a right but in California, it feels like a rare privilege. I know it shouldn't be, but before Peruta, there were hardly any permit holders in my entire county.

[IVC]

Not if the OAL is greater than 26"

I'm not too up to date on pushing the limits with the AR pistol (I own one, though,) but I believe that the primary differentiator is how the firearm was DROS-ed - it can be an AOW from the beginning (that's how people would transferred Taurus Judge to a trust,) or it can be a pistol. If it's a pistol, pistol rules apply.

Are you saying that one can put a rifle/carbine upper on a pistol lower (not an AOW lower) and attach a VFG as long as OAL is greater than 26"?

[surplus-addict]

I'm not too up to date on pushing the limits with the AR pistol (I own one, though,) but I believe that the primary differentiator is how the firearm was DROS-ed - it can be an AOW from the beginning (that's how people would transferred Taurus Judge to a trust,) or it can be a pistol. If it's a pistol, pistol rules apply.

Are you saying that one can put a rifle/carbine upper on a pistol lower (not an AOW lower) and attach a VFG as long as OAL is greater than 26"?

I am going to say right now, I do NOT know how CA's laws apply to this, but....

Federally, you can have an AR pistol with a barrel less than 16" and a VFG without a tax stamp for an AOW or an SBR, as long as the OAL is over 26" and there is no stock attached.

It's at or longer than 26", so it's not a pistol, and its barrel is less than 16" and it doesn't have a stock, so it's not a rifle either, and it sure doesn't shoot shotgun shells, so it's not a shotgun either.

That means that federally, it's just a 'Firearm'.

Look up the Franklin Armory XO-26, there's an ATF determination letter on their website.

Edit: here ya go

Letter: http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

And the gun: http://www.franklinarmory.com/PRODUCTS_XO-26.html

[lakersandguns]

Lame

[scidx]

What's the best AR for CCW?

Maybe the AR-24?

[morfeeis]

It has an arm brace The only way to use an arm brace in this state is to use it on an AOW.

*edit: grey area, AOW's seem to be the safest route here without possibly chancing having bubba be your next girlfriend

Some of you guys are worse killjoys than the damn CA DOJ....

[kaligaran]

[CandG]

[CSACANNONEER]

This one, if it were legal in the state

It isn't legal in any state unless it is a registered AOW or SBR.

Why isn't that one legal in the state? Should just get a bullet button and it is good.

Huh? Even without the brace it is a NFA item. It can be legal in this state if it is a NFA registered AOW.

I'm not too up to date on pushing the limits with the AR pistol (I own one, though,) but I believe that the primary differentiator is how the firearm was DROS-ed - it can be an AOW from the beginning (that's how people would transferred Taurus Judge to a trust,) or it can be a pistol. If it's a pistol, pistol rules apply.

Are you saying that one can put a rifle/carbine upper on a pistol lower (not an AOW lower) and attach a VFG as long as OAL is greater than 26"?

Huh? Yea, you're not up to date. Almost every NFA AOW is considered a handgun under CA law. Every AOW I know of that has been DROSed in CA has been DROSed as a handgun. They are just unconventional handguns. So, both the NFA rules and CA handgun rules apply.

[Artema]

Huh? Even without the brace it is a NFA item. It can be legal in this state if it is a NFA registered AOW.

Easy fix. Just take off the VFG and put a much better AFG and it is legal.

[CSACANNONEER]

Easy fix. Just take off the VFG and put a much better AFG and it is legal.

Yea, I know. I just felt the need to point out the fact that the brace wasn't the only legal issue here. The VFG makes it a NFA item in any state of the union.