CGF and Ares Armor team up?

[CK_32]

You guys do realize that some things are worse than nothing, don't you? I cite as evidence all gun laws and every other feel-good knee jerk reaction ever. And let's not forget the open carry movement. (Not people who do it when they genuinely need/want to, but the people who do it to intentionally cause a scene so they can post it to YouTube.)

Now, I'm not saying I agree with the haters, but Ares could take us in either direction pretty easily. I hope that the combined efforts, funds and customer bases help expand our ("our" being the whole pro-gun population) influence, but they could just as easily turn into another open carry fiasco.

Even if that does happen, there could be a phoenix of a supreme court decision that further solidifies our 2A rights, but at the same time it could cut us down. We got lucky with Peruta but they could have easily sided with San Diego and a legal method of carry would be non-existent for everyone in a blue county.

I'm hoping for the best here, but I'm not going to count my chickens yet.

I can agree with this post 150%. Well said. What my mind was thinking but my lips could not say.

[toddh]

he was able to do that with all the money he made from ripping people off during the panic.

what? you think i'm a troll or a provocateur? look up "Ares sucks" on here and see for yourself.

At least Dimitri has donated money and time to the fight.
You have done nothing in your life to help the 2A cause that I have seen.

And he's come in various threads to address issues brought up.
Is he perfect ?? No.
But he is trying to help calguns, and has been cleaning up the ares image and fix the mistakes.


Now...lets discuss you. What have you done for the fight ??
NRA member ??
CALGUNS/CGF contributor...no.

Do you belong to any other 2A organizations ??
I doubt it.

If you don't do anything to help, why are you here again ??
To talk crap about someone that is out there fighting for your rights.

So...we established that while others fight, and donate their time and money, you sit and blather on with your feeble trolling efforts and idiotic ramblings
all in an effort to undermine the people working on the front lines to save the few freedoms we have here.....


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[ucsc slug]

At least Dimitri has donated money and time to the fight.
You have done nothing in your life to help the 2A cause that I have seen.

And he's come in various threads to address issues brought up.
Is he perfect ?? No.
But he is trying to help calguns, and has been cleaning up the ares image and fix the mistakes.


Now...lets discuss you. What have you done for the fight ??
NRA member ??
CALGUNS/CGF contributor...no.

Do you belong to any other 2A organizations ??
I doubt it.

If you don't do anything to help, why are you here again ??
To talk crap about someone that is out there fighting for your rights.

So...we established that while others fight, and donate their time and money, you sit and blather on with your feeble trolling efforts and idiotic ramblings
all in an effort to undermine the people working on the front lines to save the few freedoms we have here.....


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I belong to the NRA (since I was 18, i'm in my mid 30s now) and GOA as well as my local range. would you like my membership information while you're at it? so i don't contribute here, who cares? i'm a member, aren't i? that ought to be good enough.

Dimitri isn't fighting for our rights, lol...he's fighting to make more money. why isn't he an FFL? what about that mysterious customer list?

sheep, the lot of you.

[mif_slim]

The antis must be rolling on the ground laughing right about now.

[shda5582]

So its Ares fault and not DeLeons for that. Makes sense to me.

Well, DeLeon sure didn't put up a giant billboard advertising 80%'s.....

That, and we didn't have a problem with him doing SB808 until Ares was putting that up and all in the news about it.

So yea, it actually was Ares' fault.

[SunsetIE]

Well, DeLeon sure didn't put up a giant billboard advertising 80%'s.....

That, and we didn't have a problem with him doing SB808 until Ares was putting that up and all in the news about it.

So yea, it actually was Ares' fault.

Bingo.

Ares and dimitri can suck it. All of the shops that were running just fine didnt need a massive billboard to get business, word of mouth was all that was needed!

The chinese made lower debacle is just sad, and thats probably why hes teaming up with CGF to try to restore his crappy rep.

[DimitriKarras]

Oh, you mean that active customer database that you turned over to the Feds instead of fighting them? The customers that YOU profited off of and did NOTHING to protect? Those customers?

This is a flat out lie... You would have no idea that anything even happened had we taken the ATF's deal. You would be in the dark and not have a clue. The fact is that we brought this to light and refused to willingly turn over our database. On top of that we have spent almost 100k now fighting to get the information to be ordered destroyed by a court.

had we turned it over to the Feds you would be clueless... We didn't take the deal. Makes you wonder how many companies have been faced with a similar situation and did take the deal though doesn't it.

[Wildhawk66]

The fact is that we brought this to light and refused to willingly turn over our database. On top of that we have spent almost 100k now fighting to get the information to be ordered destroyed by a court.

had we turned it over to the Feds you would be clueless... We didn't take the deal. Makes you wonder how many companies have been faced with a similar situation and did take the deal though doesn't it.

You appear to be implying that taking the customer list like they did might be a little known but common practice of the ATF, and that you are unique in standing up against this practice. Maybe.

It could also be though, that this is a relatively uncommon practice that the ATF decided to apply to your company based on what they saw as uncommon and questionable sales practices. Who knows, I certainly don't.

I am not trying to blame the "victim", which you may be to some extent, but it makes it hard to view you guys as "just another company" when you seem to be working very hard at pushing the envelope in a very public and controversial manner. I'm also not saying that what the ATF did is right or appropriate, but considering their history and past practices, it is not at all unexpected. Much as SB808 was a completely foreseeable outcome of your actions.

Personally, I feel like you are playing a dangerous game with our rights (problem being that state politicians still see them as privileges) to benefit your personal business. I hope all of this is the start of a change toward a more community based mindset on your part because the rest of us have to live with the results of your actions.

[thenodnarb]

Its a shame the caltards are throwing you under the bus. most of them have no clue what they are talking about, saying things that are the complete opposite of the truth out of ignorance.

I support you. And if calguns supports you too, then I think the caltards here need to back up a bit and reconsider their stance.

[DimitriKarras]

You appear to be implying that taking the customer list like they did might be a little known but common practice of the ATF, and that you are unique in standing up against this practice. Maybe.

Since us, there have been 3 additional companies (that we know of) that have been targeted for their customer lists... only 1 of them is an 80% company.

Pac n Arms is a great example of this. The only ones you hear about are the ones who don't comply.

[Wildhawk66]

Since us, there have been 3 additional companies (that we know of) that have been targeted for their customer lists... only 1 of them is an 80% company.

Pac n Arms is a great example of this. The only ones you hear about are the ones who don't comply.

Good to know. Sounds like a bigger issue than many are thinking, including myself.

[DimitriKarras]

I belong to the NRA ...
so i don't contribute here, who cares?...

sheep, the lot of you.

LOL

"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." - Voltaire

[Wildhawk66]

Its a shame the caltards are throwing you under the bus. most of them have no clue what they are talking about, saying things that are the complete opposite of the truth out of ignorance.

I support you. And if calguns supports you too, then I think the caltards here need to back up a bit and reconsider their stance.

How old are you? You post is juvenile and makes me wonder.

This is a place for discussion. A lot of people here have strong feelings about Ares and their actions. Whether I agree with Dimitri or not, he is going out of his way to try and address the concerns a lot of us are raising. Name calling and implying that anyone who disagrees is ignorant is simply juvenile. Your post also appears to be counterproductive to what Dimitri is trying to accomplish with this outreach (which is ironic considering you point seems to be to support him).

[VaderSpade]

I can see both side of this argument. What we need to do now is make lemonade out of the lemons that we have and not worry (at this point) why we were handed the lemons.

What I will say is that I don't like Ares business practices. It's hard not to see the greed. During the shortages I was turning down an average of 300 orders a day even though I had big orders in for 80% lowers.

I was told as I'm sure Ares was that no delivery date could be given. I chose not to take my customers money and I'm poorer for that but I can sleep at night.

I waited nearly two years for orders that I had in with Ares and that is just too long.

[DimitriKarras]

I was told as I'm sure Ares was that no delivery date could be given. I chose not to take my customers money and I'm poorer for that but I can sleep at night.

I waited nearly two years for orders that I had in with Ares and that is just too long.

We actually had a signed and guaranteed contract for delivery dates... We also pre-paid for many units to the tune of 600k... We got burned very very badly and still have not received the goods that we originally contracted for nor have we received our 600k back.

There is no excuse however, and the buck stopped with us. We made a very poor vendor choice and it cost us greatly. We did make good on our orders... it took WAY too long.

We refunded hundreds of thousands of dollars, we made good on the orders.... I personally went over half a year without any compensation whatsoever to try and save money so that we could make good on those orders. I pulled a mortgage on my place, sold almost everything I owned and maxed all of my personal credit cards to do this.

2013 was literally the worst year of my entire life. We got through it though. If I had a time machine... things would be a lot different. All I can do is go forward.