Did an ffl break the law?

[ziconceo]

My friend recently purchased a pistol at an ffl. He doesn't have any other proof of residency other than his drivers license. So they declined his purchase until he got a fishing license (thier suggestion because it was easy to get) so he went and got a one day license then went back and got the gun. But upon a simple atf website search, this showed up

"
Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).Cellular phone bill."

So what gives?

It's not like I'm actually going to do anything about it...but I'd like to know just out of curiosity, thanks.

[echoThreeOneSix]

callin' them out online... bad juju. I would have asked it was it was legal without mentioning the installation. don't blue falcon the guys on our side.

[ziconceo]

callin' them out online... bad juju. I would have asked it was it was legal without mentioning the installation. don't blue falcon the guys on our side.

Well this is odd, every other thread with complaints of an ffl has people asking for the op to "out" the ffl. So why is this different? Oh, also forgot to mention that they charge a crazy price of 100$ just for an out of state transfer fee... Ridiculous.

[ChaoSS]

That's interesting, I've had problems with my Dl only showing my po box and it has been suggested to me on multiple occasions to get the fishing license, by multiple ffls that seem pretty anal about the letter of the law. Is this a newer policy?

[stix213]

Well this is odd, every other thread with complaints of an ffl has people asking for the op to "out" the ffl. So why is this different? Oh, also forgot to mention that they charge a crazy price of 100$ just for an out of state transfer fee... Ridiculous.

Every "out" the ffl thread involves someone being screwed over by the ffl, such as illegal over charging of fees for a ppt. Not sure why you'd put a confusion over proper proof of residency in that same category.

[johnthomas]

It's not like I'm actually going to do anything about it...but I'd like to know just out of curiosity, thanks.

You already have.

[ziconceo]

Every "out" the ffl thread involves someone being screwed over by the ffl, such as illegal over charging of fees for a ppt. Not sure why you'd put a confusion over proper proof of residency in that same category.

Well technically he was screwed. You have to pay for fishing licences while you don't have to pay for a lease agreement. Yes, it was a small amount, but wouldn't submitting the wrong data put him at risk?

[ziconceo]

It's not like I'm actually going to do anything about it...but I'd like to know just out of curiosity, thanks.

You already have.

Complaining about stuff on the internet is NOT doing anything about it IMO. Calling the bbb WOULD be doing something about it. Again, this is IMO.

[Chaos47]

My friend recently purchased a pistol at markleys. He doesn't have any other proof of residency other than his drivers license. So they declined his purchase until he got a fishing license (thier suggestion because it was easy to get) so he went and got a one day license then went back and got the gun. But upon a simple atf website search, this showed up

"
Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:

Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).Cellular phone bill."

So what gives?

It's not like I'm actually going to do anything about it...but I'd like to know just out of curiosity, thanks.

Sorry but why would the ATF website have anything about 2nd proof of ID? That's a California thing. I think you mean CADOJ's website...


For people looking for a form of ID that counts get a FFL03. It is only $30 for 3 years and you gain the benefits of picking up C&R firearms when you are out of state. (or get a COE too and use it instate.)

[Neanderthal]

Cellular phone bill is acceptable? That is not issued by the government. Only monitored and recorded in the NSA Utah data banks. So what is your deal? The goverment did not issue my lease agreement either. Looks like the Evil Big Brother found out how to shut down all FFLs and made felons out of ALL gun owners.

[ElvenSoul]

I used to suggest to people to go to the Social Security Office and request a free overview of their SS. SS gives you a nice letter for free on official gov't letterhead. It has your name and address on it. I would like to see the state deny that in court as proof of residency.

[erik_26]

MYOB!

Besides, Markleys is terrible.

[RR.44]

My electricity bill is not issued by the government either, this is just of how stupid Cali gun laws are...Senseless

[Tripper]

Hunting license IS issued by the state now, so that may be why

[livinlocal]

Well technically he was screwed. You have to pay for fishing licences while you don't have to pay for a lease agreement. Yes, it was a small amount, but wouldn't submitting the wrong data put him at risk?

How in the world can you compair the two?



Do you have any common sense ? You are on a website that is full of Leo, and other entities that can possibly punish the shop for what you have just said if it is really against the law so in fact you are already doing something about it just by making this post and putting them on blast.

And for you to say they've ripped you or your buddy off, because they are following the law to get you to have a second form of ID is not ripping you off. It then trying to help you! They could have just told you to leave and come back with a second form of ID and not mention anything about how to obtain a second form of ID.