PPT @ Turners

[thegamettt]

I am sure my loaded came with a cable lock and I think the RO had one as well. Id have to look. I could be wrong.

you know I've never checked my box either, and I think there is actually one included.. Will verify when I get home.

I just did a PPT an hour ago at Turners Pasadena. I purchased a GEN 4 Glock that is off list. A lock was in the box so I did not have to buy one. The entire process took about 20 painless minutes. I have always had smooth transactions at Turners

Awesome that's what im getting too!! lucky you, they didn't ask for a receipt for the lock that's within 30 days. Seems some do, some don't. Hopefully I have the same luck

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I did a ppt at the Rancho Cucamonga store once. Be prepared to have every employee to walk by and handle the gun, the manager complain about a lite stamp in the serial number if there is a lite stamp, purchase a lock, a ton of paperwork. They don't handle the gun on the counter. They'll set it on the ground and get the info they need from there. When you pick it up they won't leave it on the counter if they have to go more than 5' from it. Once again they'll set it on the ground behind the counter then another employee walks by and handles the gun.

[mikeinla]

I did a ppt at the Rancho Cucamonga store once. Be prepared to have every employee to walk by and handle the gun, the manager complain about a lite stamp in the serial number if there is a lite stamp, purchase a lock, a ton of paperwork. They don't handle the gun on the counter. They'll set it on the ground and get the info they need from there. When you pick it up they won't leave it on the counter if they have to go more than 5' from it. Once again they'll set it on the ground behind the counter then another employee walks by and handles the gun.

I have done 20+ PPT's at Turners and never had anything like that happen.

[FourLoko]

good stuff

I know handguns can be a different beast with the roster and such but I had no problem doing a PPT on an SKS Paratrooper at Turners. No hassle and didn't take long at all.

Not long after I decided to sell it and met the buyer at Oaktree. The first employee we encountered there made it difficult and got all butthurt because it had the bayonet. He tried to tell me it was illegal and it was clear he was clueless. Only thing I could do was laugh and educate him on the fact that it was legal and that if Turners of all places had just done the transfer to me then you can bet your *** it's legal.

After some explanation and convincing he got the transfer done. Good times.

[Dragon]

signal hill, im wary of the location because the last time I was there buying a long gun, the dumbass tried to make me provide two forms of residence/id. I tried to tell him that he was wrong. He appeared to be the resident "gun guy" because while he was helping me, he kept butting into other reps/customers conversations and telling them "oh x gun is better because I have experience with it." Hopefully he doesn't work there anymore.

Was he an older , loud, rounded , and kind of a smart a** ?

[thegamettt]

Yes, extreme know it all, without actually knowing anything. Very annoying voice too.

[Steve_In_29]

As far as the "lock requirement" goes, just in case they want to be richards, tell the buyer to pick up the gun lock Walmart sells ($5ish IIRC). If they don't ask he can return it on his way home, if they do ask then he can return it after he picks up the pistol.

[Dragon]

Yes, extreme know it all, without actually knowing anything. Very annoying voice too.

lol... Yeah , don't get that guy. Hes been there forever.

He has talked about getting out of this crappy state ,and he is just waiting for his house to get finished being built then he's gone. Well that was back in 2004-05 just a few more months and ill be outa here he says. I remember this ,because I was there to buy an XD from another sales guy back then,and he kept butting in to say how great it was ,and then rambles on about his out of state ccw.The other sales guy was getting pissed.

[thegamettt]

fairly smooth transaction. They understood my CCW exempted me from HSC and safe handling demo. I gave them my expired picture DL+interim DL (renewal printout from DMV) for proof of ID and residency.

However.. when all the paperwork was done, the guy mentioned that I would need a hard copy current DL to pick up my gun.. Is this FUD?

This would kind of suck because I renewed my license on the 16th, (expired on the 17th) and it could take up to 60 days to receive the new hard copy DL. And if it did take that long, It would put me past the last pickup date and I would have to DROS all over again..

Plus, why the EFF would they let me complete all the paperwork with what I had, and tell me I can't pick up my gun, even though I have picture ID(albeit expired) + interim DL to back up the expired one + the freaking CCW??? (is this a state issued document that should suffice)?

@ OC armory, all I needed was my CCW...

[calif 15-22]

Not that it matters . . . but just give the case to the new owner after you do the PPT. Bring gun in another case or locked pouch.

Or avoid all the hassle and go with a smaller home based FFL. Up here in Nor Cal there are several really good ones ALL very knowledgeable on the matter.

Good luck . .

[Josh3239]

My understanding is that this is federal law. The ATF hasn't accepted interim DLs for a few years and our SOP is not to DROS anyone with an expired DL. On the interim it specifically says something to the effect of that it is for driving only, not for any else.

Additionally, form 4473 instructions describe what type of identification is allowed, "Before a licensee may sell or deliver a firearm to a nonlicensee, the licensee must establish the identity, place of residence, and age of the buyer. The buyer must provide a valid government issued photo identification to the seller that contains the buyer's name, residence address, and date of birth. The licensee must record the type, identification number, and expiration date (if any) of the identification in question 20a."

An expired DL is not valid. And an interim lacks a photo. Putting the two together it not presently accepted by the ATF from my understanding. Additionally, generally interim anything is no good. I turned away a guy who brought an interim guard card and interim firearms permit. You must have the hard card. An accepted letter for a CCW won't work either, gotta have the actual paper permit or the hard card.

Honestly, it sounds like the Turner's employee screwed up accepting that and the manager decided against cancelling the PPT and the DROS (lose $25) and instead told the employee that it can continue but the buyer can only pick up with a valid ID which they will photocopy and add later.

[thegamettt]

My understanding is that this is federal law. The ATF hasn't accepted interim DLs for a few years and our SOP is not to DROS anyone with an expired DL. On the interim it specifically says something to the effect of that it is for driving only, not for any else.

Additionally, form 4473 instructions describe what type of identification is allowed, "Before a licensee may sell or deliver a firearm to a nonlicensee, the licensee must establish the identity, place of residence, and age of the buyer. The buyer must provide a valid government issued photo identification to the seller that contains the buyer's name, residence address, and date of birth. The licensee must record the type, identification number, and expiration date (if any) of the identification in question 20a."

An expired DL is not valid. And an interim lacks a photo. Putting the two together it not presently accepted by the ATF from my understanding. Additionally, generally interim anything is no good. I turned away a guy who brought an interim guard card and interim firearms permit. You must have the hard card. An accepted letter for a CCW won't work either, gotta have the actual paper permit or the hard card.

Honestly, it sounds like the Turner's employee screwed up accepting that and the manager decided against cancelling the PPT and the DROS (lose $25) and instead told the employee that it can continue but the buyer can only pick up with a valid ID which they will photocopy and add later.

Thanks for the clarification. So are you saying that the hard copy CCW card is not an accepted form of ID to purchase a gun? So that would mean my last DROS was illegal then.. because all I provided was the CCW

[microstencil]

I'd rather go through a sales tax audit than do a PPT at Turners!!

[I Swan]

I haven't done a PPT at Turners since 2002. However because of their games and extra paperwork I usually consider a purchase at Turner's dead last before hitting other shops first. The being said though I've probably bought 40 guns at Turner's over the years but much less in last few years.

You try to punish me by making PPT experience painful or refusing a PPT or charging over $35 I will punish you back by bad word of mouth and taking my business elsewhere.

[Josh3239]

Thanks for the clarification. So are you saying that the hard copy CCW card is not an accepted form of ID to purchase a gun? So that would mean my last DROS was illegal then.. because all I provided was the CCW

That is a fair questio. For the Feds, I am not sure, it sounds like it may. For CA I am sure it won't because in the DES for type of ID the only options are CAID, CADL or DOD ID.

If it was just a CCW for a regular CA sale, I don't understand how it could be processed. There is no option for it on a DROS. Unless they put in your DL number but didnt make a copy. That isn't illegal, ballsy from the standpoint of protectin your FFL but not illegal.