Does law Enforcement really need select fire?

[WyattandDoc]

I don't get it, are you supposed to be funny?


You're not funny like a clown in that you amuse me...

You're more sad than funny... Your existence and the existence of others like you is a sad indictment in regards to how far this nation has fallen that we have KGB and Stasi like you running around all across the nation thinking you're doing great deeds by throwing your weight around and harassing decent citizens...


Then you have the nerve to come onto a forum which is supposed to be maintained for the benefit of decent citizens who own and enjoy guns and tell people who were caught up in a minor violation of one of the TEN MILLION laws in this nation "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" as though you know every single law in this nation and have never violated one be it knowingly or unknowingly.


KGB goons like you demoralize true patriots with your thinly veiled hatred for freedom and natural rights.

Wow....Scariest thing is that he's actually allowed to vote!!

[SactoDoug]

So, when was the last time you wore a BP vest to work, every day? Are you the one who approaches these types of situations when needed? They get what they need to get the job done. Not all of them get FA weapons, btw.

Do you live in the neighborhoods with these drug dealers? I do.

How many times have your cars been broken into? Have you ever had to fix bullet holes in your walls because of stray gun fire?

How many murders, home invasions and other crimes do you see reported in the paper that are in your neighborhood. At night, do you hear gun fire regularly just a few doors down and there is no firing range within ten miles of where you live?

Do you have security cameras installed so that you can see who is at the door without being shot through it?

Do you double check your doors and windows at night to make sure they are locked, even when it is 100+ degrees out?

I guess that entitled me to FA weapons and body armor, right? Any justification for LE to have anything is just as legitimate for the potential victims of these criminals.

BTW, did you bother watching the video you posted. FA weapons and body armor would not have changed a single thing in the outcome. The laws against FA weapons certainly did not prevent that drug dealer from getting one, did they?

[Artema]

Do you live in the neighborhoods with these drug dealers? I do.

How many times have your cars been broken into? Have you ever had to fix bullet holes in your walls because of stray gun fire?

How many murders, home invasions and other crimes do you see reported in the paper that are in your neighborhood. At night, do you hear gun fire regularly just a few doors down and there is no firing range within ten miles of where you live?

Do you have security cameras installed so that you can see who is at the door without being shot through it?

Do you double check your doors and windows at night to make sure they are locked, even when it is 100+ degrees out?

I guess that entitled me to FA weapons and body armor, right? Any justification for LE to have anything is just as legitimate for the potential victims of these criminals.

BTW, did you bother watching the video you posted. FA weapons and body armor would not have changed a single thing in the outcome. The laws against FA weapons certainly did not prevent that drug dealer from getting one, did they?

Wasn't sure where you were taking that, but I agree. If you can justify use for one, based on those reason, it then justifies the same thing for others in the area.

[omgwtfbbq]

And OMGWTFBBQ, good point, I didn't even think of that and you're probably very right about that.

It's pretty surprising. I work for a fairly small county and we have a great deal of people participating in PC 1210 and Deferred Entry of Judgment programs.

To their credit, when these programs work, they were really well. It's really a small win for everyone when someone is successfully diverted from the justice system, because all the money spent to house, feed, supervise (whether thats in custody or through Parole, Probation, PRCS, Mandatory Supervision) is greatly mitigated.

The sad part is, the majority of the people who are granted these chances, just don't take them seriously.

[samsigsauer]

I think people need to look at past and recent events...I guess you will rescue your own family. I certainly hope you don't expect to police to respond with just pistols to help your family.....Especially if you have criminals who have more firepower than the police. Look at Mexico as an example, the drug cartels have firepower and control and kill the police and citizens at will...I see that happening here because the citizens want to disarm the police.... I believe the majority of the people in Law Enforcement believe in the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I believe criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as they should. There are too many criminals running around since the implementation of AB 109 the prison population reduction. There will be more armed confrontation such as what happened in Roseville several nights ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

http://www.news10.net/news/article/262129/2/Roseville-standoff-suspect-facing-7-attempted-murder-charges?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge

[Artema]

This is what happens when you arm people too heavily for the situation.

[WyattandDoc]

I think people need to look at past and recent events...I guess you will rescue your own family. I certainly hope you don't expect to police to respond with just pistols to help your family.....Especially if you have criminals who have more firepower than the police. Look at Mexico as an example, the drug cartels have firepower and control and kill the police and citizens at will...I see that happening here because the citizens want to disarm the police.... I believe the majority of the people in Law Enforcement believe in the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I believe criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as they should. There are too many criminals running around since the implementation of AB 109 the prison population reduction. There will be more armed confrontation such as what happened in Roseville several nights ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...s%7Cbc%7Clarge

What are you doing on CalGuns? You just made sense. Get out of here.

[Ninety]

I think people need to look at past and recent events...I guess you will rescue your own family. I certainly hope you don't expect to police to respond with just pistols to help your family.....Especially if you have criminals who have more firepower than the police. Look at Mexico as an example, the drug cartels have firepower and control and kill the police and citizens at will...I see that happening here because the citizens want to disarm the police.... I believe the majority of the people in Law Enforcement believe in the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I believe criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as they should. There are too many criminals running around since the implementation of AB 109 the prison population reduction. There will be more armed confrontation such as what happened in Roseville several nights ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...s%7Cbc%7Clarge

I think that the boldened statement above is true.. but unfortunately it does not stop these same police officers from enforcing ridiculously (IMHO) unconstitutional laws. I think a lot of police don't mind an armed law abiding citizen.. but at the same time some would prefer them to OC vs CC

Irish Joe.. .5 gram blunt I think is a little small.. might need to re asses those numbers a bit.. Last time I saw one of those things it looked like a whole pound was stuffed inside.

[Ninety]

So, when was the last time you wore a BP vest to work, every day? Are you the one who approaches these types of situations when needed? They get what they need to get the job done. Not all of them get FA weapons, btw.

I don't know the backround of that video or why they decided to execute their search warrant the way that they did.

But you try to blow up my door ... and gain entry to my home.. you'd better believe you will be met with lead.

Seems to me after he realized it was the police he gave up.. That team placed themselves into a dangerous position. Maybe it was the safest of all the options on the table who knows?

[KABA556]

Did any of the men responsible for these even lose a day's pay? So long as indiscriminately firing on everyday citizens just going about their business is treated as no big deal, I am actually a proponent of LEOs being restricted to less than lethal munitions and weapons.

What sort of anti-police bigotry are you trying to push here! So the police shot five or six people, disabled/destroyed three pickup trucks with gunfire, and rammed another pickup truck.

They had every reason to shoot first and never ask questions, OFFICER SAFETY!

Haven't you ever heard of OFFICER SAFETY?

Officer safety means that if police are nervous and on-edge because of some guy such as Dorner, they can shoot anybody who has a vehicle that falls into the same general category... If Dorner had been on a motorcycle, then anybody they see on a motorcycle has just opened himself to being cut down in a hail of gunfire courtesy of LA's finest.

[SOAR79]

there was actually some really good opinions in this thread, might change my opinion

[KABA556]

No, we're not talking about a pound or two for 'personal use'.

1 Blunt = .5 gram (+/-) X 3 blunts a day
1 pound = 453 grams
1 pound = 906 blunts / 3 blunts a day = 302 days worth of MJ for personal use.

Once you start getting into the guy with 5 lbs (over four years worth) claiming personal use, clearly a health dose of skepticism is appropriate. I doubt the MJ, unlike ammo, will store for 4+ years.

Having said that, 5 lbs is nothing. This is california. Many counties allow ballpark that much for medical purposes anyway. We're talking about trafficking a moving truck full. That will get me interested. That coupled with evidence of sales is where you get people charged with possession for sales and where you start nibbling at the bottom of the trafficking network.

What about steroids? Mere possession is a felony...

If you have ten grams or more they treat that as "possession with intent to sell" but ten grams is really nothing.

Say you're doing an 12 week cycle stacking three different types, let's just call them A, B, and C to keep it easy...

So you have 10mg pills or ampules/liquids of each type... Let's just say pills to keep it easy...

You take 3 of type A in the morning, 3 of type B in the morning, and 3 of type C in the morning, and then repeat that later in the evening... So you're taking 12 pills per day, 120mg per day.

You're going to do that for 12 weeks x 7 days per week = 84 days x 120mg per day = 10,080 mg = more than 10 grams.

So what was a personal supply for one person for 12 weeks, is treated by the law as "possession with intent to sell."


In some states if you're within 1500 feet of a school, church, park, etc, then it doubles the sentence. If a firearm is even remotely involved then you double it again. So if you live within say 1200 feet of a church and you have a shotgun in your basement next to your weight lifting gear, the police storm in and see you injecting winstrol, guess what... You're looking at a long sentence...


Police may broadcast a story, "the suspect was found with approximately one thousand steroid pills, he was obviously a major supplier in the community, poisoning children" when the reality is that the guy had a 12 week supply for his own use.

[KABA556]

I think people need to look at past and recent events...I guess you will rescue your own family. I certainly hope you don't expect to police to respond with just pistols to help your family.....Especially if you have criminals who have more firepower than the police. Look at Mexico as an example, the drug cartels have firepower and control and kill the police and citizens at will...I see that happening here because the citizens want to disarm the police.... I believe the majority of the people in Law Enforcement believe in the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I believe criminals are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as they should. There are too many criminals running around since the implementation of AB 109 the prison population reduction. There will be more armed confrontation such as what happened in Roseville several nights ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

http://www.news10.net/news/article/2...s%7Cbc%7Clarge

Ask the people of southern Louisiana, who lived through Katrina, if the arrival of police and national guard improved the situation...


Looters roaming around in the aftermath of a massive hurricane and the police immediately begin disarming law-abiding citizens... In such a situation I would really just prefer the police stay the hell away or go break into Wal-mart and steal some new shoes. I really would prefer to defend myself and have the police never show up if the only thing they intend to do is try to forcibly disarm me and leave me to the mercy of the mob.

[five.five-six]

What sort of anti-police bigotry are you trying to push here! So the police shot five or six people, disabled/destroyed three pickup trucks with gunfire, and rammed another pickup truck.

But did any of them lose so much as an hour's pay?

[KABA556]

But did any of them lose so much as an hour's pay?

They're the thin blue line, they're heroes, they should be given raises!

They could have damaged their hearing when they opened fire with their rifles... They risk hearing damage each and every time they blast innocent citizens...

Never mind that they shot that 75 year old woman in the back with an AR-15, it's not as though they shaved years off her life, she's old anyway... Think about how much they could have damaged their own hearing!

They should be given six weeks off, with double pay, and an all-expense paid trip to the best hearing/ear clinic in the nation!