FFL's are as bad as antis!

[vtabiker]

Most of the place I've been have the unloaded sign at the door. However, a good chunk also have a statement about CCW and it's ok if it's holstered and concealed.

[Artema]

I believe they tend to allow you to bring unloaded weapons when checked at the front desk. How many people have had guns pointed at them at gun stores? I have read about it happening a lot. Doesn't happen at my Rod & Gun Club, but they don't do direct sales. I can understand your point, but their rules are to have guns checked at the front desk and to follow their rules while inside. He could always browse from the windows outside while locked & loaded.

[Cool Custard]

Ya.. Im the counter guy in california, i fly out from alabama every morning to work in that gun shop. Your lack of logic knows no bounds.



Ya, or you have 20 trigger happy guys who turn your shop into a two way firing range. Also, isnt the point of CCW to be CONCEALED? how would a bad guy know that everyone is armed?? For me, its really simple: if i own a business where guns are moving in and out, then those guns should be unloaded. If they are not, then the person with that gun is a threat to my safety and the shops safety. And im sure that the guy who is looking to rob the store will walk in first, ask for everyone with a ccw to identify themselves, and then determine whether or not to rob the store. GENIUS

I was speaking more in hypotheticals as to if everyone was armed then people with bad intentions wouldn't feel emboldened to try things!
So by your logic any gun that isn't in your control would be a threat to your safety! Must be really tough when you go to the range with thinking like that!
And the bit identifying who has a ccw would be for store owners to ask, instead on making people disarm in the parking lot of their shop. Now you've made me a target in the parking lot to either be robbed getting into my truck or having my vehicle broken into.

[Ferrum]

Wait for it....

[alfred1222]

I was speaking more in hypotheticals as to if everyone was armed then people with bad intentions wouldn't feel emboldened to try things!
So by your logic any gun that isn't in your control would be a threat to your safety! Must be really tough when you go to the range with thinking like that!
And the bit identifying who has a ccw would be for store owners to ask, instead on making people disarm in the parking lot of their shop. Now you've made me a target in the parking lot to either be robbed getting into my truck or having my vehicle broken into.

Your hypotheticals are not realistic, and no, a range is a controlled environment, with set rules. Walk into a run range with a CCW and see where that gets you. it wont end well. And so you expect a store clerk or owner, while they are trying to jump through every hoop needed to sell a gun in california, to ask each and every customer if they are carrying?? that is unrealistic. What happens when they are busy?? do you want to guy with the CCW to announce to the store in general that they have a gun? All im saying is that if a gun store employee sees a customer with a gun in their waistband, they will more then likely draw.

[sjm9877]

So if a bad guy walks into a gun store and sees 2 employees with guns on the hip. He also sees 3 customers not openly carrying.

Scenario 1 he shoots both employees and then shoots all three unarmed witnesses.

Scenario 2 he shoots the first employee & then is gunned down by three armed CCW customers.

Do you prefer scenario 1 or 2?

[donnie707]

lots of double standards in this thread. its starting to sound like something I would hear coming out of piers morgans/diane feinsteins mouth. I agree, nowadays you don't know who is mentally unstable or not. But like somebody mentioned in an earlier post, just ask for ccw permit. If he/she has one then they are not breaking the law.

[hermosabeach]

One local indoor range has bullet proof glass between the store and the range.

They have a sign on the glass. The sign is on the glass to cover where an AD was fired from the store side towards the range side into the glass.

Not everyone with a CHL is as competent as you might think.

And if you can spot a CHL just how concealed is the firearm?

Another question is- was the customer known by the shop? Is the guy intentionally incompetant???

[jonzer77]

Ya.. Im the counter guy in california, i fly out from alabama every morning to work in that gun shop. Your lack of logic knows no bounds.



Ya, or you have 20 trigger happy guys who turn your shop into a two way firing range. Also, isnt the point of CCW to be CONCEALED? how would a bad guy know that everyone is armed?? For me, its really simple: if i own a business where guns are moving in and out, then those guns should be unloaded. If they are not, then the person with that gun is a threat to my safety and the shops safety. And im sure that the guy who is looking to rob the store will walk in first, ask for everyone with a ccw to identify themselves, and then determine whether or not to rob the store. GENIUS

Yes, if they are carrying concealed then they obviously have bad intentions. You can't have trigger happy people carrying concealed or the streets(or gun store)will flow with blood!

Where have I heard that before???

[alfred1222]

Yes, if they are carrying concealed then they obviously have bad intentions. You can't have trigger happy people carrying concealed or the streets(or gun store)will flow with blood!

Where have I heard that before???

Im sorry, i made the assumption that 99% of the people with a CCW have never been in a dynamic situation where their lives and the lives of others are at risk. Silly me, i should have realized that everyone with a CCW is constantly ready and waiting for a situation to unfold, and know precisely how to handle it each and every time. Everyone in this thread also fail to address what will happen when an employee draws down on a guy with a CCW because thats what he has been taught to do.

[sjm9877]

^^^ so your saying CCW is wrong?

[donnie707]

^^^ so your saying CCW is wrong?

+1 I agree with you. there are instances where a guy with a ccw has saved the day. guy from Alabama sounds like a libtard.

[Cool Custard]

Your hypotheticals are not realistic, and no, a range is a controlled environment, with set rules. Walk into a run range with a CCW and see where that gets you. it wont end well. And so you expect a store clerk or owner, while they are trying to jump through every hoop needed to sell a gun in california, to ask each and every customer if they are carrying?? that is unrealistic. What happens when they are busy?? do you want to guy with the CCW to announce to the store in general that they have a gun? All im saying is that if a gun store employee sees a customer with a gun in their waistband, they will more then likely draw.

So if you're at the grocery store and a guy reaches for his wallet and his shirt pulls tight or rides up a little and you notice that he's carrying would you draw on him too?!?! This whole only me but not for you bs has got to stop so we (gun enthusiasts) can get on the same page. How come you didn't address my comment about making me a target in your parking lot?

[alfred1222]

So if you're at the grocery store and a guy reaches for his wallet and his shirt pulls tight or rides up a little and you notice that he's carrying would you draw on him too?!?! This whole only me but not for you bs has got to stop so we (gun enthusiasts) can get on the same page. How come you didn't address my comment about making me a target in your parking lot?

I wouldn't draw on anyone who doesn't threaten me, but we're not talking about me, we are talking about a gun shop employee and what they are conditioned to think and how they are told to react. As for your comment about the parking lot, i have no good answer. Im saying that a gun shop employee is taught to draw when they see a loaded weapon, for they see it as a threat.

[alfred1222]

+1 I agree with you. there are instances where a guy with a ccw has saved the day. guy from Alabama sounds like a libtard.

add something to the conversation or GTFO. Calling me a liberal might make you feel big or powerful, but won't change my opinions