FFL's are as bad as antis!

[sl0re10]

I have also mentioned this before with ranges. Why is it that people who handle guns all day and purport to support RTKBA/Carry don't want YOU doing it anywhere near them? Because people (in general) are idiots. Ask any range worker how many stupid things a day they see. They know people + guns = danger. And, yes, they feel threatened by anyone (else) who has a gun. BTW - so do I! Cops included. And to the " we all should be able to carry whenever and whereever" crowd... here is your answer. NO ONE likes other people with guns. Even ardent firearms rights supporters.

Some other weird thing I've noticed is a lot of people working at ranges and in the gun industry are not ardent firearms rights supporters (at all). You could say it backs your argument but I just don't think there really is connection between them and rights supporters to begin with.

[12voltguy]

Don't you know, it's much easier to take a principled stand when you are an anonymous voice on the Internet and don't have all the facts.

I get it now

[Tripper]

A couple guys here got robbed of their 'in locked container' guns at Our local range as they was leaving

[Cool Custard]

did you tell the owner this?
if YES like you ask us to do,why didn't you ask how he knew the guy had a gun CCWing?

Nah, didn't say anything to the owner. Was going to buy some ammo but after everything I just left. Looking back on it I kinda wish that I had said something but I didn't really want to get into a pissing match with the guy in his shop. He said all I needed to hear when he said he prefers that he/employees are the only ones with the guns.

[toby]

You know the rest 1-800-wha-------

[Cool Custard]

Don't you know, it's much easier to take a principled stand when you are an anonymous voice on the Internet and don't have all the facts.

And yet you always seem to know all the facts! So tell us what all the facts are so we can get it right! Don't forget to provide sources since you love sources and make sure they are current since you always call out others sources as not current when they disagree with you. You actually made a post with the most logical answer on here and I was going to compliment you for that insight, but then you go ahead and prove what I thought of you.

[Artema]

Haha. You guys and your cross-thread rivalries. Didn't you ever see Ghostbusters? Crossing streams is bad, and those were kind of guns.

[TRICKSTER]

And yet you always seem to know all the facts! So tell us what all the facts are so we can get it right! Don't forget to provide sources since you love sources and make sure they are current since you always call out others sources as not current when they disagree with you. You actually made a post with the most logical answer on here and I was going to compliment you for that insight, but then you go ahead and prove what I thought of you.

Thank you.

[alfred1222]

So are you for or against CCW? You make a lot of the same arguments that anti gun people use whenever ccw is brought up.

Im for CCW, hell, i sent my application in a week ago for my own CCW. In a society like the one here, carrying a weapon is the norm, people are used to it. The point i am trying to make is that a gun shop employee is trained to view any loaded weapon in the store as a threat, and that CCWing in a store is a good way to get shot if your weapon is seen.

Don't you know, it's much easier to take a principled stand when you are an anonymous voice on the Internet and don't have all the facts.

[Barang]

Was at a gun shop killing some time while out of town yesterday. A nice older gentlemen was also in the store browsing when the owner asked the guy to please not carry in his store. Guy says I have my ccw. Owner says I don't care, we prefer to be the only ones with the guns here!

The owner could've handle the situation better like not overtly disrespecting the ccw holder. Is it too hard to pull the gentleman aside and privately say "we don't allow guns loaded or not inside the store except employees"?

If the store owner doesn't want people bringing in their guns to his store then a big sign on the door must be posted.

[LMTluvr]

Im for CCW, hell, i sent my application in a week ago for my own CCW. In a society like the one here, carrying a weapon is the norm, people are used to it. The point i am trying to make is that a gun shop employee is trained to view any loaded weapon in the store as a threat, and that CCWing in a store is a good way to get shot if your weapon is seen.

Right.. I'm sure that will hold up in court.
"Gun store employee shoots and kills customer with a HOLSTERED weapon. " Makes perfect sense.
I would like to think that gun store employees are taught to use common sense and judgement pertaining to threats and use of force. To basically imply that carrying a concealed weapon into a gun store is asking to "get shot" is ridiculous at best.
We don't just blaze away because of a perceived threat by the mere presence of a weapon. Especially a holstered weapon that through whatever circumstance accidentally became visible.
Most LGS acknowledge that a good portion of the patrons are likely carrying, yet only ask that loaded weapons remain in their holster. It all boils down to common sense.

[audiophil2]

Your hypotheticals are not realistic, and no, a range is a controlled environment, with set rules. Walk into a run range with a CCW and see where that gets you. it wont end well. And so you expect a store clerk or owner, while they are trying to jump through every hoop needed to sell a gun in california, to ask each and every customer if they are carrying?? that is unrealistic. What happens when they are busy?? do you want to guy with the CCW to announce to the store in general that they have a gun? All im saying is that if a gun store employee sees a customer with a gun in their waistband, they will more then likely draw.

I have walked into gun ranges CCWing and open carrying. I never had a clerk pester me.
I have customers walk in all the time open carrying. Usually it is a gun I sold them. I have never felt threatened. If I drew a gun I would probably lose my business from bad reviews.

Im for CCW, hell, i sent my application in a week ago for my own CCW. In a society like the one here, carrying a weapon is the norm, people are used to it. The point i am trying to make is that a gun shop employee is trained to view any loaded weapon in the store as a threat, and that CCWing in a store is a good way to get shot if your weapon is seen.

I don't let customers handle loaded guns in my shop including theirs. They either present it unloaded from outside the shop or it stays in the holster. I don't view loaded weapons as threats, I view people handling loaded weapons as threats.


One of my friends owns an ammo company in Phoenix. Here is a sign he has posted on his window.

[jdben92883]

That's a pretty retarded premise. Anybody, anywhere could use the same poor logic and make a blanket argument against all LTC holders everywhere.

Youre just full of fail today arent you?? How about this: post your address, and ill share it with about twenty of my friends. Ill tell them all to conceal a pistol, and come over and knock on your door, asking to be let in for a cup of coffee. Would you trust them?? Hell no, you would slam the door and grab your own gun. The same situation applies in a gun shop. if there is a loaded gun in the area, it should be on the hip of the employees, for there is no way for the employees to know if a person has a CCW or if they are a perp. And if they are a bad guy, whats to stop them from saying they have a CCW, and then draw on the employees and start shooting or robbing. The only way to ensure the safety of the shop is to put a blanket ban on non-uniformed people carrying weapons into the store.

[jdben92883]

I CCW in every range I visit and usually what it gets me is a better lane.

Your hypotheticals are not realistic, and no, a range is a controlled environment, with set rules. Walk into a run range with a CCW and see where that gets you. it wont end well. And so you expect a store clerk or owner, while they are trying to jump through every hoop needed to sell a gun in california, to ask each and every customer if they are carrying?? that is unrealistic. What happens when they are busy?? do you want to guy with the CCW to announce to the store in general that they have a gun? All im saying is that if a gun store employee sees a customer with a gun in their waistband, they will more then likely draw.

[bruceflinch]

Scared people don't like others having guns. If you don't like it stay home.
Cops work scared that's why they unload on kids with toys in their hands.
They look for the bad guy all day long, soon everyone looks like the bad guy.

^^^ must be the counter guy.

So it seems as though some of your a saying infringement is ok if it's done for a safety reason. "It's for the children"
Isn't that what we are working against? The thought that it's ok to have a gun just don't bring it here.
So no guns near schools, government buildings & gun stores.
Awesome!!!!

So if a bad guy walks into a gun store and sees 2 employees with guns on the hip. He also sees 3 customers not openly carrying.
Scenario 1 he shoots both employees and then shoots all three unarmed witnesses
Scenario 2 he shoots the first employee & then is gunned down by three armed CCW customers.
Do you prefer scenario 1 or 2?

lots of double standards in this thread. its starting to sound like something I would hear coming out of piers morgans/diane feinsteins mouth. I agree, nowadays you don't know who is mentally unstable or not. But like somebody mentioned in an earlier post, just ask for ccw permit. If he/she has one then they are not breaking the law.

You cannot CCW in a Business that prohibits.

Just for the record I don't carry. But anyone who does is welcome anywhere around me.
I have spent my entire life around guns. All members of my family are shooters. My family consists of veterans from 3 branches of the military & a couple of Police Officers.
Had my first .22 rifle at 5 & have shot my whole life. My kids started at about 3 years old. Guns are normal and not something to be afraid of.
Those people who claim to support the 2nd & then seek to restrict it. Are among the most dangerous obstacle for gun rights.
If you don't want someone to carry a gun in your gun store. You are part of the negative impact view on gun owners.
It's good to own guns but too dangerous to carry them in a gun store. This ranks right up there with guns for hunting are great but nobody needs an AR15.

Cool , Bro

I know it's coming.
Cool story Bro !!!

FIFY

This is what the free market and property ownership is meant. The store owner gets to set rules on their property. You get to choose if you want to abide by the rules or not go there.
Vote with your wallet and your feet. If you support the store, shop there. If not, don't.

Nicely said.

I'm still waiting to find out the name of the store(s) in this thread that don't allow legal CCW so I can boycott them.

Not sure if OP is serious or attention whoring....

Nah, didn't say anything to the owner. Was going to buy some ammo but after everything I just left. Looking back on it I kinda wish that I had said something but I didn't really want to get into a pissing match with the guy in his shop. He said all I needed to hear when he said he prefers that he/employees are the only ones with the guns.

So much easier to go all Captain Keyboard on CGN, than to to discuss an issue FTF..
So did the Shop have a sign posted or not?