California cops shoot kid with toy gun aka Replica Assault Weapon

[TRICKSTER]

Ok I will give you the translucent plastic one but what about the screws in the buttstock?? That is such an obvious sign it's a toy

When someone is pointing a weapon at you, what angle is the weapon at relative to your position? How much of the side of the weapon can you see?
Now factor in the Nevada school shooting that just happened and how that may be effecting your decision Are you seriously telling me that, with a split second to decide, that you would have noticed that this was a replica?

[ogarcia_02]

The kid was 13 years old, patrol cars pull up to him and cops start shouting at him with what I am assuming are weapons drawn pointed at him. Did you guys miss the part where he is 13 years old, not every kid reacts the same way.

The antis have done an excellent job of brainwashing not only non firearm owning individuals in California but gun owners as well evidently by many of the responses here. How did all of you guys survive into adulthood with your non orange tipped plastic guns.

[Corsair415]

Are you seriously telling me that, with a split second to decide, that you would have noticed that this was a replica?

Speaking of talking points.

[doctor_vals]

How about don't go out side and run around with a replica AK47 that is EXTREMELY realistic has no idenifying marks on it to tell police officers that is not a gun. Is that one too much to ask?

I agree with you, it isn't America in 1950-60; so rules are changed even for kids.

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If the teenager had not gone running around outside in a residential neighborhood with an AK47 he would still be alive. Period. It was a really, really stupid move on his part. .

So, somebody have to teach teens to know basic rules.

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Those cops are gonna have to live with the guilt of this for the rest of their lives. Carrying that burden is something I would not wish on anyone. His parents are gonna have to bury a child. I would not wish that on anyone. The kid is dead. No more. I would not wish that on anyone. .

Again, I agree with you. It is very difficult to continue live your life when your son is dead, and his and your future - just gone.

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Lets get real here. The blame and the fault here is crystal clear. Idiot should not have been running around outside with an AK47, replica or not..

Yes, it is true.

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You people are expecting the police to be mystical mind readers with xray vision who could see through the gun and tell it's insides contained plastic bbs and not bullets. That is just not realistic. They fired because they believed the teenager was a threat to himself and others. They didn't kill 'em for the fun of it.

They have to understand, that he is small kid, not a gangsta. And they should understand that kid may and will turn around to see who is given him an order. Theey must be trained for not to be afraid everythingle time.
And I hope that if you were at that spot - you will not pull deadly weapon and will use any other possible way to resolve situation.

[Artema]

When someone is pointing a weapon at you, what angle is the weapon at relative to your position? How much of the side of the weapon can you see?
Now factor in the Nevada school shooting that just happened and how that may be effecting your decision Are you seriously telling me that, with a split second to decide, that you would have noticed that this was a replica?

Cease the FUD. He didn't point it at a person. And I would have only noticed it was fake because of the lack of weight, not tiny features barely noticeable even in these pictures.

[ChrisBrooklyn]

All of these incident bring me back to the lost art of community policing, when I was young we knew a couple (not many it was still NYC) of the local cops. They walked and drove the neighborhood and school. They could recognize most of us even if they didn't know our names, they had better knowledge of the lay of the land. I feel like this is nonexistent any more. Cops work in areas far removed from where they live, they don't walk foot patrols anymore (or much). And I feel like training is different. I have older family on the force and their mentality is totally different from the younger guys (their words), to the point where they clash a lot. If cops were neighbors again I think these incidents would greatly decrease.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Right, while you're at it maybe you should warn the kids not to dress up like dangerous creatures for Halloween. All these trigger happy cops might be itching for some trophy hunting.

Make sure the kids don't dress up as any type of canine. That would really be dangerous.

[c2ypt1c]

Sounds like if you were the cop and the AK was real, you would be dead. A car door is not protection from a AK round.

Yeah? How many officers died in the north hollywood shoutout, where TWO bank robbers wielded full-auto AKs with 30+ round mags and body armor?

It also sounds like you are pretty twisted to believe that any cop goes out on the street wanting to shoot someone, especially a kid.

And It sounds like you are pretty twisted to believe that any 13 year old kid out on the street would carry a real assault rifle...maybe you should join that department, you'd fit right in.

[TRICKSTER]

Yeah? How many officers died in the north hollywood shoutout, where TWO bank robbers wielded full-auto AKs with 30+ round mags and body armor?


And It sounds like you are pretty twisted to believe that any 13 year old kid out on the street would carry a real assault rifle...

Yep, I'm so twisted, I have actually arrested kids with various types of guns.
Some of us have actually done the job and know what is really out there and what really happens when you are involved in a shooting. To believe that anyone goes out on the street wanting to get into a shooting is just showing plain ignorance.

[c2ypt1c]

Some of us have actually done the job and know what is really out there and what really happens when you are involved in a shooting. To believe that anyone goes out on the street wanting to get into a shooting is just showing plain ignorance.

Yeah because every single law enforcement officer is the essence of purity, more perfect than christ himself, and corruption does not exist in this great county that we live in...get a grip man. And for some, the only reason they don't want "to get into a shooting" is because they're only concerned about their own ***.

I have actually arrested kids with various types of guns.

I'm surprised they're not dead...but in all seriousness, how many, under the age of 18, actually had assault rifles? I'd like to know.

[TRICKSTER]

Yeah because every single law enforcement officer is the essence of purity, more perfect than christ himself, and corruption does not exist in this great county that we live in...get a grip man.

I'm not the one twisted enough to believe that this automatically equates to "sounds like a trigger happy, power hungry dip**** wanted to shoot his gun" with absolutely zero facts or evidence to back it up. Nor do I have to embellish your comments to make my point. I'm also not the one that is making stupid statements like 13 year olds couldn't have a real AK.

[c2ypt1c]

I'm not the one twisted enough to believe that this automatically equates to "sounds like a trigger happy, power hungry dip**** wanted to shoot his gun" with absolutely zero facts or evidence to back it up. Nor do I have to embellish your comments to make my point. I'm also not the one that is making stupid statements like 13 year olds couldn't have a real AK.

No, you're just the one twisted enough to blindly accept that a 13 year old was murdered with absolutely zero facts or evidence to back it up...

and I never said a 13 year old couldn't have a real AK...I would hope some amount of common sense is exercised when the trigger is pulled.

[TRICKSTER]

No, you're just the one twisted enough to blindly accept that a 13 year old was murdered with absolutely zero facts or evidence to back it up...

Wow, are you really that confused. You made the assumption that he was murdered, not me. Remember when you posted this....

Give me a break...you're telling me two cops who had the drop on this kid, guns drawn, fully aware of what they were dealing with, did not have enough cover and protection to wait one more second to assess the situation and restrain themselves from using deadly force? Yeah right...sounds like a trigger happy, power hungry dip**** wanted to shoot his gun.

I haven't made a statement as to what I believe happened in this case as we really don't have enough info.

and I never said a 13 year old couldn't have a real AK...I would hope some amount of common sense is exercised when the trigger is pulled.

So what exactly did you mean when you posted this...

And It sounds like you are pretty twisted to believe that any 13 year old kid out on the street would carry a real assault rifle....

Seriously dude, you need help.

[RandyD]

This thread is the perfect example of why the law goes by what a reasonable officer under the same circumstances and training would do instead of what a bunch of Monday Morning Keyboard Commandos claim they would do.

I believe your post highlights what concerns many of us.

It appears that child did not receive the same consideration from the officers that they are entitled to receive. Did the officers consider what a reasonable 13 year old boy would be doing at 3:00 P.M. on a school day. My immediate thought would be that he just got out of school and was wanting to play with some friends. Just how should a 13 year old boy be expected to react when he has the mind set that he is not violating a law (it is not illegal to possess a toy gun) while walking to a friends house to play and is shouted at from behind? It is possible that the boy may not have realized the commands were directed at him.

As far as the toy gun, well it is apparent that everyone realizes that toy guns exist, kids play with them and some of them are realistic. It appears that the officers did not considered these factors before firing.

We should not be viewed as a bunch of "Monday morning keyboard commandos". We are citizens. These are our communities. It is our right to express our opinions. It is our right to seek changes in our government as we see fit. You, as a law enforcement officer, seem to have no respect for the citizens you were hired to serve.

[fivefeezy]

One thing that a lot of you geniuses on parenting are forgetting is that the officers are supposed to be trained adults. The other is a kid. Did all of you always obey your parents and never do anything stupid when you were 13 years old? Get off your high horses.