California cops shoot kid with toy gun aka Replica Assault Weapon

[Artema]

Alright keyboard warriors. I have an airsoft collection used for FOF and a real collection used at the range. This one's getting pointed at you, and you have less than 2 seconds to bet your life on 00 Buck or 6mm plastic. Go for it:

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Fascinating. Now since it is wholly irrelevant to the story, I'll also point you to your avatar, which is a pistol pointing at the camera. Fascinating. The kid didn't point his toy at the officers. They admitted to opening fire immediately as they ordered him to drop it.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Alright keyboard warriors. I have an airsoft collection used for FOF and a real collection used at the range. This one's getting pointed at you, and you have less than 2 seconds to bet your life on 00 Buck or 6mm plastic. Go for it:

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But was the replica firearm actually pointed in the direction of the Deputies?

[CBR_rider]

According to this story, yes the firearm was pointed in the LEO's direction... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/24...cmp=latestnews But until the investigation is all said and done, only two people left alive right now really know.

[inbox485]

Are you two for real? The PD has repeatedly claimed the shots were fired after ordering the guy to drop it, and after the guy turned towards them with the barrel pointing at one of the officers.

[TRICKSTER]

The kid didn't point his toy at the officers. They admitted to opening fire immediately as they ordered him to drop it.

They did? You have access to the officers statements? Please post that info.

[Artema]

Are you two for real? The PD has repeatedly claimed the shots were fired after ordering the guy to drop it, and after the guy turned towards them with the barrel pointing at one of the officers.

The story evolves it seems. Initial statements were far less advantagous to their position.

[inbox485]

Fascinating. Now since it is wholly irrelevant to the story, I'll also point you to your avatar, which is a pistol pointing at the camera. Fascinating. The kid didn't point his toy at the officers. They admitted to opening fire immediately as they ordered him to drop it.

Great non answer. My avatar was made using a camera on timer with a bullet proof backstop, so what's your point?

[TRICKSTER]

The story evolves it seems. Initial statements were far less advantagous to their position.

Initial statements or press reports?

[inbox485]

The story evolves it seems. Initial statements were far less advantagous to their position.

Then I guess you'll just have to wait for autopsy to determine the guys position when he got shot. I'm not the one wanting to crucify people with only a portion of 3rd hand facts and a bunch of imaginary details of what police are like.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

A wrong decision, in hindisight, but whether it's an unreasonable one under the circumstances is the question which remains unanswered at this point.

And yes, as Artema said, a 7.62 round will not be stopped by a car door. There was no available "cover" as c2ypt1c incredulously suggested there was.

In actuality the engine block will typically stop a 7.62 x 39 and they do train Officers in the academy how to position the vehicle to utilize the engine block for cover and concealment. I am not saying it was an option for these Deputies but the academies to heavily emphasize the use of cover and concealment at all times when possible and especially with suspicious circ and 417 calls.

[Epaphroditus]

From the press conference yesterday. LEO leadership shows the 13 years old fake AK with a "real" AK47.



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Is that the actual one? Where is the evidence tag? What happens to the chain of custody - suspended for press conf? If it found to have had the orang bit broken off then there is now inadmissible evidence due to poor handling of evidence? Maybe I just watch too much TV.

[donnie707]

were there any cameras in the cop car? or on the streets? there seems to be cameras everywhere these days. im sure something caught this incident.

[the86d]

"See, Democrats are right to not allow anyone to be in town with even a replica, because some police are too stupid to tell that they weren't being shot at, or the person wasn't a danger. That solves everything. If nobody had firearms, then police wouldn't have to shoot anyone..." - Idiot-agenda-spitters

"Tazer-Tazer-Tazer!" Duh.

ANOTHER reason to have everyone speak English, not some 3rd world dialect before coming here, and people here illegally might get shot if they don't know enough?
Cops cannot yell STOP/HALT in 30 languages, just in case suspects don't speak English/Swahili...

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Are you two for real? The PD has repeatedly claimed the shots were fired after ordering the guy to drop it, and after the guy turned towards them with the barrel pointing at one of the officers.

Of course they are going to say that. But is that what really happened. The only other witness that could contradict their accounts is dead. It may have happened exactly as the Deputies reported but who knows. If they did screw the pooch on this one do you think they are going to admit it?

[Artema]

They did? You have access to the officers statements? Please post that info.

O'Leary said the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns immediately after issuing the orders to drop the rifle.

That was from an article earlier in the thread.

Then I guess you'll just have to wait for autopsy to determine the guys position when he got shot. I'm not the one wanting to crucify people with only a portion of 3rd hand facts and a bunch of imaginary details of what police are like.

And obviously I am not either. I am saying they are mistaken to be cops, not that they are murderers. People who cannot handle these situations just should have chosen a different career field, and should be forced to do that now that they've shown to not have the ability to handle a kid with a toy. No crucifying has been requested by me, and don't project your fantasies just because I disapprove.