California cops shoot kid with toy gun aka Replica Assault Weapon

[talisman7]

Human is human. Poor training=poor judgement=poor action. The mass need to understand gun is not the issue. ,

[Steyr_223]

From the press conference yesterday. LEO leadership shows the 13 years old fake AK with a "real" AK47.



From deep inside Area 51

[Artema]

One thing that a lot of you geniuses on parenting are forgetting is that the officers are supposed to be trained adults. The other is a kid. Did all of you always obey your parents and never do anything stupid when you were 13 years old? Get off your high horses.

Yep, I'm so twisted, I have actually arrested kids with various types of guns.
Some of us have actually done the job and know what is really out there and what really happens when you are involved in a shooting. To believe that anyone goes out on the street wanting to get into a shooting is just showing plain ignorance.

TRICKSTER, it was obviously past your bedtime. Only the trolls were trying to suggest that the cops were out to shoot someone. It was clear that these cops simply do not have the experience, training, fortitude, or morals to be cops. They were far too scared in a situation that should have been handled appropriately. They aren't murderers, they're just as incompetent as any cop that would support their actions.

[Steyr_223]

I expect Leland Yee to hold a news conference to say he has written a bill to outlaw BB guns and airsoft.

The gun resembling an AK-47 assault rifle that 13-year-old Andy Lopez was carrying when he was fatally shot Tuesday by a sheriff's deputy is an increasingly common type of inexpensively produced yet realistic-looking BB gun that blurs the line between dangerous weapon and harmless toy.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131023/articles/131029824

From deep inside Area 51

[infamous1979]

For you informed people of yester year crying about how he's just a kid and boys will be boys and back in 1978 when I was a teenager cops.....etc etc. this is for you check out the link this is from today. This is the world we live in. Yes kids(teenagers) have the desire and ability to commit crimes with guns. This is from today and this kid is 11 years old.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justice/washington-school-gun-arrest/index.html?sr=fb102413washingtongunarrest9a

[jonzer77]

When someone is pointing a weapon at you, what angle is the weapon at relative to your position? How much of the side of the weapon can you see?
Now factor in the Nevada school shooting that just happened and how that may be effecting your decision Are you seriously telling me that, with a split second to decide, that you would have noticed that this was a replica?

I thought for sure you could tell I was joking, that's why I used afterwards.

[AGGRO]

Another boy in the news.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/us/massachusetts-colleen-ritzer-profile/index.html?hpt=us_c2

[jonzer77]

"Crazy ****" happens all the time.....

Another time we confronted a 25 year old who's dad had fled the house telling us his son was armed with a .22 pistol, and wanted to kill him...

We surrounded the house. I happened to have a shotgun, and was near the front porch when he exited, pointing the "pistol" all around.. He didn't see me as I was behind cover about 15 feet away... I had a very clear head shot...

BUT I saw the ".22 pistol" was actually a Benjamin .22 pump AIR pistol....

So I didn't blow his head off, and eventually he was taken into custody.....

Another officer might not have noticed, and killed the fool... It would have been a good shooting, as we had good reason to believe the father..(He was a local attorney)....


My point is these incidents happen in an instant. Most of the time Officers by some miracle "get it right"... Sometimes based on the actions of the suspects officers do end up using deadly force...

Only a few minutes later to discover the gun was not real.

A real tragedy for all.

Everybody has the "right" to go home to their family every night...

Sometimes though by a persons actions though, they cause LEO's to use deadly force...

That is not the fault of the officers.

Officers react to the actions of the persons they come into contact with....

So you can't say it's the officers fault when they shoot a person who they believe is armed with a rifle, turns the rifle in their direction....

So according to you those 55 people were not murder victims because they were shot with rifles....

Seriously, you believe that "Rifles just aren't used in crimes".

Did you really believe this...???

I think the LEO's who were shot up by the North Hollywood bandits would have a different opinion....As would hundreds of others....

Many many officers have been shot at with rifles.. Including a few who are regular posters here....

One of them is me..

Back in 1981 I confronted a gunman armed with a Sporter K98K rifle in a city park. He had 200 rounds of ammo..I was off duty, and just happened to be in the park... When I confronted him he was yelling that the rifle was only a BB gun...

I knew better...He refused to drop the rifle, and after aiming it at me the fight was on. When the confrontation was over he had one round in his chest... I was not hit.

He never admitted why he was in a city park with 200 rounds of ammo... It was speculated that he intended to shoot up the park...

So don't tell me that "rifles just aren't used in crimes."


Before you make yourself look any more foolish maybe you should get out from behind your computer and get some real world experience...

Link?

[not-fishing]

I believe the Bay Area mentality is tremendously at fault. The Politically Correct nature of the local populace and it's Police Department have a huge influence.

I doubt this would have happened in Texas, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, Wyoming.........

[Ninety]

For you informed people of yester year crying about how he's just a kid and boys will be boys and back in 1978 when I was a teenager cops.....etc etc. this is for you check out the link this is from today. This is the world we live in. Yes kids(teenagers) have the desire and ability to commit crimes with guns. This is from today and this kid is 11 years old.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justic...tongunarrest9a

Are you saying that we should allow the action of a few to dictate the reaction of the many?


Double edged sword.

[RandyD]

I believe the Bay Area mentality is tremendously at fault. The Politically Correct nature of the local populace and it's Police Department have a huge influence.

I doubt this would have happened in Texas, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, Wyoming.........

I share your opinion. The social culture in California pertaining to firearms is dysfunctional. The mere sight of a firearm or even the possibility that a person could be in possession of a firearm, causes a near panic reaction in some people.

This past summer I took my family on a road trip vacation staying in Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Washington and Oregon. During that trip, we frequently saw firearms. One of my purposes of taking the family on a trip was to introduce them to normal America, and how other people live. During most of our meals, we engaged the waitresses in conversations about the area they lived. I for the benefit of my wife and daughter would ask the waitress if people in that area had a fear of firearms. Every time the waitress would reply that people were not afraid of firearms, and sometimes would add that people in the area knew how to use firearms and would use them.

[Artema]

I share your opinion. The social culture in California pertaining to firearms is dysfunctional. The mere sight of a firearm or even the possibility that a person could be in possession of a firearm, causes a near panic reaction in some people.

This past summer I took my family on a road trip vacation staying in Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Washington and Oregon. During that trip, we frequently saw firearms. One of my purposes of taking the family on a trip was to introduce them to normal America, and how other people live. During most of our meals, we engaged the waitresses in conversations about the area they lived. I for the benefit of my wife and daughter would ask the waitress if people in that area had a fear of firearms. Every time the waitress would reply that people were not afraid of firearms, and sometimes would add that people in the area knew how to use firearms and would use them.

Me too. In Alabama it is common to see people with a gun on their side. No license, no permission slip from daddy, and no fear from those walking around them.

[A-J]

The police had no idea if the gun was real or not. All they knew was that a kid was ordered to drop a gun and he didn't. Plus it turns out the kid also had a fake pistol tucked into his waist belt.

From the article, with the important part bolded:

O'Leary said the deputies fired several rounds from their handguns immediately after issuing the orders to drop the rifle.

The stories do little or nothing to explain why the officers didn't wait for the backup they requested since they clearly had the drop on him.

[WyattandDoc]

All of these incident bring me back to the lost art of community policing, when I was young we knew a couple (not many it was still NYC) of the local cops. They walked and drove the neighborhood and school. They could recognize most of us even if they didn't know our names, they had better knowledge of the lay of the land. I feel like this is nonexistent any more. Cops work in areas far removed from where they live, they don't walk foot patrols anymore (or much). And I feel like training is different. I have older family on the force and their mentality is totally different from the younger guys (their words), to the point where they clash a lot. If cops were neighbors again I think these incidents would greatly decrease.

You are absolutely correct. I just had a special team with the "Community Oriented Policing" philosophy disbanded because of budget. I'm fighting for grant money because I feel it's the most effective form of policing.

[WyattandDoc]

Yeah? How many officers died in the north hollywood shoutout, where TWO bank robbers wielded full-auto AKs with 30+ round mags and body armor?


And It sounds like you are pretty twisted to believe that any 13 year old kid out on the street would carry a real assault rifle...maybe you should join that department, you'd fit right in.

Your kidding me right?