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  • Like gandhi but better
    Banned
    • Jun 2013
    • 354

    was disarmed last night. im a peace officer

    im a correctional peace officer. i carry off duty. theres also a 'green light' on all law enforcement from fresno bulldog gang members.

    so i arrive at the hanford fair grounds last night with my children and wife. local pd is checking bags and wanding people. i show the cop my ID and badge and tell him im armed.

    he tells me i have to leave the gun in my car because its private property. i speak with his leiutenant and get nothing except his card. they said by law they can disarm me.

    i only complied because i didnt wanna let down my kids. seemed crazy that they would rather leave my gun in a parking lot where it could be stolen easily.

    so. are they right here?
  • #2
    barca101
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 577

    I believe they were wrong. Anyways why is the local PD doing security at the county fair grounds when it should be sheriffs. You should have ask this the LE section. There was a case several years ago where SDSD deputies were bring disarmed at the entrance. The deputies to it to courts and fought it and won. Allegedly a County fair is a public venue and not private, so they shouldn't have disarmed you. Just google the case law.

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    • #3
      desertexplore
      Banned
      • Jan 2013
      • 4221

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      • #4
        SilverTauron
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2012
        • 5699

        Sometimes LE work off duty as security for private events.A lot of cops in Chicago do it because working class people need every extra cent they can given the city's cost of living. In that event its a tresspass matter:if the property owner doesn't want anyone being armed on their territory,they can enforce it.
        The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
        The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
        -Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE

        The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.

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        • #5
          VictorFranko
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2010
          • 13737

          Originally posted by barca101
          I believe they were wrong. Anyways why is the local PD doing security at the county fair grounds when it should be sheriffs. You should have ask this the LE section. There was a case several years ago where SDSD deputies were bring disarmed at the entrance. The deputies to it to courts and fought it and won. Allegedly a County fair is a public venue and not private, so they shouldn't have disarmed you. Just google the case law.
          I am headed to our 'county fairgrounds' for a dog show in an hour.
          The fairgrounds are located inside the 'city' limits.
          County fairgrounds are not always located in a remote, unincorporated part of a county.

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          • #6
            h0use
            Calguns Addict
            • Jul 2009
            • 5783

            Same thing at the San Diego county fair. Even if you have a permit or your a officer that's off duty they will
            Not allow you to bring in your firearm even with Credentials.

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            • #7
              BigJ
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 3172

              Looking forward to an expert opinion on this. Here's my totally-non-expert opinion:

              if its private property, the most they can do is cite you for trespassing and see you off the privately owned land. They have no authority to physically disarm you, unless you were to resist leaving.
              "This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave." - Elmer Davis

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              • #8
                DannyInSoCal
                Calguns Addict
                • Aug 2010
                • 8271

                Great.

                More areas where large groups of unarmed defenseless victims become easy targets for criminals.

                Thank a delusional naive liberal.....
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                • #9
                  VictorFranko
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 13737

                  Originally posted by BigJ
                  They have no authority to physically disarm you, unless you were to resist leaving.
                  They didn't physically disarm the OP, they told him he couldn't enter the fairgrounds armed. It was the OPs choice to leave the gun in the car and attend the fair, he could have retained his firearm and not attended the fair.

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                  • #10
                    ptusa
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 860

                    You where not "disarmed". You where given a choice and you chose funnel cakes.

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                    • #11
                      BigJ
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 3172

                      Originally posted by VictorFranko
                      They didn't physically disarm the OP, they told him he couldn't enter the fairgrounds armed. It was the OPs choice to leave the gun in the car and attend the fair, he could have retained his firearm and not attended the fair.
                      Yes, understood and we agree. My comments are based on that understanding.
                      "This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave." - Elmer Davis

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                      • #12
                        negolien
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 4829

                        Originally posted by BigJ
                        Yes, understood and we agree. My comments are based on that understanding.
                        I concur
                        "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                        George Orwell

                        http://www.AnySoldier.com

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                        • #13
                          Like gandhi but better
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 354

                          ill be contacting attorneys to see if theres a case here, based on the advice of partners who have 20 plus years in.

                          even tho im in corrections, im still a 24 hour peace officer. theres no such thing as an 8 hour peace officer.

                          if one of the local pd's off duty cops wouldve showed up armed, id bet $ that he wouldve been allowed in with his weapon.

                          theres no way the fair grounds are private property

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                          • #14
                            chad allred
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2012
                            • 877

                            What if you met up with one of the bad guys you busted??
                            I'm not a cop but have lots of cop buddies and this pisses me off.very uncool.
                            Only good way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with one.
                            Libtards have gone too far.
                            That being said if it was me I would have had some disappointed kids....

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                            • #15
                              Librarian
                              Admin and Poltergeist
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 44652

                              No definitive answer on this one - probably will be influenced by local laws.

                              A private property owner, or the private operator of a publicly-owned facility, may specify that no one, even LEO, may carry firearms in that facility. The response is comply with their wishes or go somewhere else.

                              If such operator is serious about that, they search and wand those who would enter; Hanford is evidently serious. King's Fair appears to be operated by "24-A District Agriculture Association".

                              Agriculture associations are legislatively established -
                              Local fairs became full-fledged State of California agencies in 1904 when the state legislature formally organized district agricultural associations to promote and encourage local agricultural and home industry.
                              http://www.delmarfairgrounds.com/ind...t.history_1900, so the operator here is public.

                              See Food and Agriculture Code, " PART 3. DISTRICT AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATIONS" beginning 3801
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