DROS Fee

[onewheelwes]

So please give an actual reference, rather than hearsay, that shows that you can legally add firearms to an existing DROS in CA. There is no issue under Federal law, as the 4473 documents. It needs to be a real reference, not just a claim by someone, you need some backing.

As I said, I would not do business with someone like you, so never would be a great time for you to stop by :-). I guess you can't win on the facts, so you have to try to resort to other means to try to "win" your case.

When are you going to give an actual reference from a valid source which backs your claims instead of hearsay?

When the AG/DOJ penalizes a FFL for doing this, some case law might be settled. A building of lawyers cannot discern what is in the codes. The Fact is that there is no "gun" on a long arm DROS. No model, make, SN, or the number of guns purchased. And yes, most will do it.

Your FFL sucks if you will not help out CA gun owners to push the limits of the "intent" of the lousy law. Do you sell bullet buttons?

[Bumslie]

Name: Kemasa
Location: Simi Valley, CA
Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Email: retracted
WWW: http://www.net-ffl.com/

[onewheelwes]

Oh, it seems that based on some the "attacks", it appears that there is a claim that what I said is only relevant if I am a FFL. Following that to its conclusion, that means if you are not a FFL, what you are saying is not relevant. I doubt that you get that and it is quite hypocritical, but that is common for discussions.

Don't Marvin us. Just be nice

[roger1022]

Rifle gear
Turners
Ades
Grant boys

Want me to keep going

If you're gonna weenie out then I'm done with your nonsense. Every other individual here has confirmed you can in fact add to it after the fact. So unless you're gonna man up, have a good night

I've been asked that at Riflegear but its a hit or miss at Turners.

[marcopolo650]

Just a quick question. So I just bought a shotgun 3 days ago and its in jail now. I wanted to pick up another rifle from the same place in addition to the shotgun do I need to pay the $25 again?

you can add up to 3 long guns/ 100% receivers on one DROS in a period of 30 days, if your FFL wont allow it then its time to find an honest FFL that is willing to do the right thing

[bruceflinch]

Is this the most active thread in the history of the Technology and Internet forum?

Yes & now I want to know what Kemasa says is the different forms. He implied DROS is different than 4473.

[kemasa]

YOU selected the PC for discussion, and you can't even read it correctly. Let me help you.

That is funny, because your comments show that you can't read it correctly. Perhaps you should get an English teacher to help you.

This means any one of the three below:

1. One single firearm sale shall be reported on each record of sale document.

2. One firearm loan shall be reported on each record of sale document.

3. One firearm transfer of any number of firearms that are not handguns shall be reported on each record of sale document.

First off, it is a firearm transaction. Why do you think that ONLY "transfer" applies to the last sentence? Under that reading, a FFL would need to submit a separate DROS for each and every non-handgun which is sold, which is clearly false.

Nowhere in there dose it state anything else that restricts what can and can't be done. So if the purchase of one long gun on any day of the year, followed buy another purchase of a long gun 10 days later, could be considered one TRANSACTION.

Really? Where do you get that? You also need to look at the CA PC which talks about the waiting period, which is typical that people ignore what they don't like when it goes against their position.

No one here is saying you have to do this. Your house, your rules. What we are saying, is that you can do this.

And what you are saying is wrong. I am not saying that FFLs don't do it.

You say it is wrong, but without any real basis. Saying that some FFLs do it is not a basis since people break the law all the time. You are not a FFL, you are not a lawyer, you have not asked the DOJ, DA or anyone else.

When the AG/DOJ penalizes a FFL for doing this, some case law might be settled. A building of lawyers cannot discern what is in the codes. The Fact is that there is no "gun" on a long arm DROS. No model, make, SN, or the number of guns purchased. And yes, most will do it.

Yes, if someone gets charged, then it will be clear, but I doubt that will happen since the law has changed and all firearms will have to have the information submitted, so it will not be possible to do it after 2014.

Most will do it? Really? Care to back that up?

Your FFL sucks if you will not help out CA gun owners to push the limits of the "intent" of the lousy law. Do you sell bullet buttons?

That is just stupid. If you want FFLs to get closed down, then promote them doing something wrong and see if they get caught.

Yes, it is stupid that you have to submit a separate DROS when a handgun and a long gun are transferred, especially since you don't get the discount on the second DROS as you do with two handguns. There law does not make sense, but that is the way it is.

Why should you have a waiting period when you already own a firearm? There is also the question of why there should be any waiting period as well, but when you already own a firearm it really doesn't make any sense.

[kemasa]

you can add up to 3 long guns/ 100% receivers on one DROS in a period of 30 days, if your FFL wont allow it then its time to find an honest FFL that is willing to do the right thing

That is not correct.

When you do a single sale, loan or transfer, you can do ANY number of non-handguns. If you read the instructions on the 4473, it says that you can attach an additional sheet for additional firearms. It is NOT limited to 3, but due to CA law, it has to be determined at the start. The Feds allow for the adding of firearms. If you go to a free state, then you could add as many firearms (not limited to non-handguns) as you want or can afford to the 4473 before the FFL signs the 4473.

If your FFL says that you are limited to only 3, then you need to find another FFL.

[kemasa]

Yes & now I want to know what Kemasa says is the different forms. He implied DROS is different than 4473.

I did not imply, I said it is different. Yes, it seems that you are confused and when you are confused, at times it is best to keep silent.

The DROS is the CA Dealer Record Of Sale.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/dros.pdf

Please note that the DROS worksheet is in error since it does not match the actual DROS form, but it serves the point.

The 4473 is a Federal document for transferring firearms.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/firearms/index.html

ATF Form 4473 (5300.9) Part I

There are other forms as well, but those are not for the transferring of firearms, but are required for the transferring of firearms.

[kemasa]

BTW, I love the one example of saying that a place (not to be named) will add firearms after the DROS is submitted as a good place, but when called they said no, firearms can not be added, but in addition their web page says:

Since the law states that the waiting period is ten 24-hour periods, it is store policy that we release firearms anytime on the 11th day rather than keeping track of the actual time the registration was submitted.

So, you want to promote a place which makes you wait longer than required. They say that they don't want to keep track of the actual time, but it is printed on the DROS form, so it is right there.

I print the pickup time between the two dates AND times. The firearm can be picked up after 240 hours, but before 30 days (720 hours). It is amazing what a computer can do since it can calculate the dates for you so that you don't make a mistake. The FFL has to keep track of the date, so also keeping track of the time is not a big deal.