Gun was put on hold by the DOJ

[smith and wesson]

3) The leading sources of problems seem to be either ambiguity over undisposed arrests, or ambiguity over identity. Whenever I've purchased a firearm, I've always volunteered as much identifying information as possible, even I normally do just the opposite, just to avoid that problem.

4) If you're impacted by the record keeping issues, I would strongly recommend contacting the Calguns legal folks. It seems the DOJ is attempting to put the burden for it's incomplete record systems on the firearms purchaser and that's not where it belongs.

3. Yeah I might have messed up there too, I didn't write down my social security number, (again with the paranoia) plus some of the staff there would say "you don't have to write your social" and really insinuate that it is bull**** and I don't have to do it.

4.The things that stop me from contacting the legal team are how much it would cost to get consulted by them, plus I don't want to get involved in a huge debacle where I join a lawsuit and light is brought to my name, I'd just like to get my pistol first, then I'll join the rallies and causes and lawsuits. It just seems like I could fix this easily if I could just talk to someone and find out what the problem is.

[smith and wesson]

Haven't received it yet.
There are only a few exceptions outside the on-roster.
Peace Officer/military.
C&R.
Olympic pistols (there is a list of pistols from the AG)

I've calmed down a bit.
I'll wait until week 4 and if nothing happens, I'll take it to the next step.
I'm not going to sit idle for 6 months. There are other firearms I still want to buy and this is holding it up.

That sucks man, What would the next step be, a refund? Seems like if it wasn't on the roster then they shouldn't have sold it to you.

[junior40er]

You don't HAVE give social but it is recommended for a more accurate background and less delays. I have not had any issues by doing so.

[smith and wesson]

You don't HAVE give social but it is recommended for a more accurate background and less delays. I have not had any issues by doing so.

Yeah a lot of my friends have said that all their purchases have never been delayed, and they never write down their social.

It's just what I've gathered from reading other threads, that providing your social doesn't leave much room for you to be confused with someone else that might have the same name and/or birthday as you.

[The Gleam]

-Has anyone else ever experienced this?

-I called the number to talk to a DOJ agent and the phone just rings and rings, sometimes has a busy signal.

-People who have experience this, how long did it take to resolve and what were some of the issues?

In the past 20 years, it only happened to me once; this was prior to magnetic strips on the driver's license. Manual entry. 2nd day of the DORS/-10 Day wait, DOJ rejected it but didn't tell him why. He was then at a gun show, and couldn't check his file to validate. I had used this dealer dozens of times, never an issue, so I thought there was some issue with me.

Turns out, he merely spelled my first name wrong AND swapped a letter in my DL license on manual entry. I called DOJ, spoke with a woman who verified the info, put it back on track, and I was still able to pick up my gun on day #10. Was quite easy to resolve really; a 4 minute phone conversation.

Of course that was well before the recent flood of panic-stricken hysteria buying, and at a time when the State of CA still had some money left in its pockets, rather than in politician's pockets.

[The Gleam]

You don't HAVE give social but it is recommended for a more accurate background and less delays. I have not had any issues by doing so.

Makes no difference. You just haven't had an issue. "Knocking on wood" for good luck, in hopes the evil DOJ spirits have not overheard your indiscretions, is just as effective. The social security number goes on the 4473, so it's not a state-related issue. No need to write down your SS and can't understand why anyone would anyway.

[smith and wesson]

Was quite easy to resolve really; a 4 minute phone conversation.

I keep reading that in the older threads I find about this issue, if only someone there would pickup the f'ing phone. -_-

[desrt2]

Ask your FFL for the other number.
I can't give it to you. I would be breaking a trust.
There is another number though and I spoke to a live body.
She was very polite.
They probably won't be able to help you very much.
We're screwed for now.

[smith and wesson]

So I got a call back from the DOJ today, the guy asked for my drivers licence number, I gave it to him, he was saying that the hold up can be a number of things, but he mentioned that even a misdemeanor can cause a hold up, I was pretty adamant saying that I have never been arrested nor charged with anything. He just said, wait a few weeks and it should clear up. He brought up the misdemeanor thing twice. He was saying how I had been cleared just last month for the other firearm purchase, I told him I got cleared 3 times this year.

Didn't give me specifics as to what the hold up was, I suspect that since he knew I was cleared for a firearm last month, then his computer should say what the hold up was, I guess they can't divulge that info over the phone though.

[Zedrek]

It doesn't matter how many times you were cleared in the past. I've heard of people buying many guns and it just now catches up to them. It doesn't even have to be necessarily for an arrest. I believe if you were detained it could effect it. I always put my social on the paperwork and have never been denied. It's not like they don't have it already anyways.

[smith and wesson]

It doesn't matter how many times you were cleared in the past. I've heard of people buying many guns and it just now catches up to them. It doesn't even have to be necessarily for an arrest. I believe if you were detained it could effect it. I always put my social on the paperwork and have never been denied. It's not like they don't have it already anyways.

Yeah, if I ever make another purchase I'll more than likely write my social too. Believe it or not this might have something to do with the Santa Monica shooting, since that happened it possible that they got orders to dig deeper into peoples history and postpone them for minuscule things.

He wanted my drivers licence number, I guess when he saw I had a clean driving record as well he wasn't able to disqualify me on that, but he has it now so the good news is he might have a clearer idea on who I am, just in case there was a mix-up.

I'm trying to stay positive, he seemed like he was sure to just wait a few weeks and then told me to contact my dealer after to see if it had been cleared up.

[smith and wesson]

Ask your FFL for the other number.
I can't give it to you. I would be breaking a trust.
There is another number though and I spoke to a live body.
She was very polite.
They probably won't be able to help you very much.
We're screwed for now.

Yeah don't worry about it man, you don't know me from a hole in the wall, I wouldn't trust giving someone I just met a trusted number. But yeah were pretty much at their mercy for now. Were just lucky it wasn't our very first gun purchase that got held up, so were still able shoot. ;-)

[desrt2]

Lengthy read but you might want to take a few minutes when you have the opportunity.

You would think that you would pop up on CLETS and NCIC each time you purchased a firearm in the past if you had a ding so how do they just now find out?

Not every department submits to CLETS/NCIC but how do they get updated x amount of years later?

"Oh look. I was cleaning out the records room and found 15,000 arrest records that we forgot to enter. Let's have student assistants manually enter in all the data."

Here comes the nasty part.

There's no such thing as Zero Defect. A real good company with serious quality control may reach 97 % defect free but most usually hover around 93%. Scary if the company manufactures medical equipment or pharmaceuticals.

DOJ probably falls under a Level 2 in the Capability Maturity Model (CMM).

Level 2 - Repeatable
It is characteristic of processes at this level that some processes are repeatable, possibly with consistent results. Process discipline is unlikely to be rigorous, but where it exists it may help to ensure that existing processes are maintained during times of stress.

My agency is a high 4.
Level 4 - Managed
It is characteristic of processes at this level that, using process metrics, management can effectively control the AS-IS process (e.g., for software development ). In particular, management can identify ways to adjust and adapt the process to particular projects without measurable losses of quality or deviations from specifications. Process Capability is established from this level.

Let's say, DOJ is a generous 89% (11% error-free).
We have a population of 28,683,239 persons over the age of 18.
With a defect rate of 11% that's 3,155,156 people with inaccurate records of any type.
21.3% (6,109,529) of California owns firearms. I don't know that includes persons with multiple firearms but we'll set that aside).
6,109,529 x 11% defect =
672,048 gun owners with inaccurate records in DOJ, CLETS, DMV, etc.

We may be better off than we think. DOJ might not be doing very bad with the resources they have.

I'm not saying they aren't under pressure from the Bloomberg/Feinstein/Boxer/Yee/The Nameless One.

I sucked at statistics in college but I think I'm in the ballpark. I'm leaving out many factors but I think this is reasonable.

[silv3rstone]

New to the forum and am 2 days away from the 10 day wait period and just received a call from my retailer that the DOJ has put a hold on my handgun as well.

I called the number listed on their website and received an answering machine message explaining that people on the line cannot talk about what is going on and that I essentially just have to wait it out.

Extremely bummed out....was looking forward to going to the range this weekend with my new purchase.

[curtru]

I had mine held about 5 or 6 yrs ago when i didn't put my ss# on my dros. Took about 4 months to get straight. Found out someone has my first and last name and middle in. Since then iv been putting my ss# and havent had a problem yet