CalGunners My .02

[dls]

I just want to shoot, so yes it pisses me off too. $1 a round for .223 no way I'm doing that in this decade,I have other hobbies. Bunch of vaulters

I'm just going to hold on the the ammo I have until I can walk into any shop or online and buy honestly priced ammo,hopefully only a few months.
I didn't get into guns for profit,but obviously some have. what can you do ? nothing.

[Definitely Devious]

Yeah im sick of this crap..im just a normal shooter damnit these crazy people are ruining everything...bare gun shelves and no ammo..DAMNIT..I ACTUALLY WANNA USE IT, DUMB HOARDERS.

[chickenfried]

Wrong thread, this is a thread to complain about those willing to sell their items.

DUMB HOARDERS.

[osis32]

There is no such thing as a "community" with gun people. 2008 and now proves that very well. Gun people are some of the worst people I have ever met. I think these gougers are scum who can take a sad event to spur idiots to buy (overpay) for magazines guns etc. I hope the karma train comes hard and fast for all the gougers

I disagree. most of the people Ive met at ranges and from here have been awesome friendly nice and helpful. any community is gonna have gullible suckers and jerks that take advantage of them. it is the nature of the beast. Im sorry youve met mostly bad apples but in my experience and that of my friends Ive had the opposite. I wish you luck in the new year maybe things will turn for the better for you

[drdarrin@sbcglobal.net]

The sad thing is when you see people buying pmags and lowers on the marketplace at the normal pre buying craze price only to turn around and try selling the same item they just bought at double the price.

I have no problem with the guys that stocked up ahead of time and are now selling their surplus at the going rate but those *******s that are buying only to turn around and resell it at double need a swift kicking in the balls.

Surely I'm not the only one that notices the similarity between the current run on guns and the increase in prices and the run on houses and the flipping that went on then.

Don't want to be part of the problem? Don't be a buyer!

[Steve1968LS2]

LOL these threads are classic. I own a business. If I set my prices and people pay that price, then I'm a happy camper. Prior to this I couldn't get anyone to buy LMT rifles. I didn't hear you guys telling each other to stop being dicks and pay full price for those guns. Oh no quite the opposite. I barely made any money on them and you'd brag to your buddies what a deal you got.

That is why I said forget it. Anything rare I have I have been putting on Gunbroker for a starting bid of 1 cent and no reserve. I just sold six 308 PMags for $598 plus $15 shipping.

When are you whiners going to figure out the demand is so huge that if one guy doesn't buy it, someone else will. This has nothing to do with gouging and everything to do with supply and demand? Answer: you won't. It's 2008 all over again, but better! Unless some bans actually pass. None of this money is worth that.

Yea, nobody cares when you only make a 2% margin or have to sell at a loss.. lol

I wish people weren't so ignorant as to compare luxury items like guns and gun supplies to necessities of life like food, water, and fuel.

I'm shocked at how many "life should be fair!" hippie closet libs are on this board.

If I list something for sale then it's worth what someone is willing to pay. I listed a stripped Spikes lower and it bid up to $400.. so I guess it was worth $400

Last I check not one of those bidder HAD to click the bid now button.. right?

[Loubot10]

Yea, nobody cares when you only make a 2% margin or have to sell at a loss.. lol

I wish people weren't so ignorant as to compare luxury items like guns and gun supplies to necessities of life like food, water, and fuel.

I'm shocked at how many "life should be fair!" hippie closet libs are on this board.

If I list something for sale then it's worth what someone is willing to pay. I listed a stripped Spikes lower and it bid up to $400.. so I guess it was worth $400

Last I check not one of those bidder HAD to click the bid now button.. right?

Last I checked, most people on CG believe that guns are a necessity and gun ownership is an inalienable right. So how is a basic lower a luxury? How is run of the mill .223 ammo a luxury?

Setting a price based on cost and replacement is understandable.

Driving up the cost of replacement by tossing out a ridiculous number and having a desperate sucker pay for it is flat stupid.

Not good business to sell anything based on unkown factors. That's speculation and you can't justify that by calling it "the market".

[Steve1968LS2]

Last I checked, most people on CG believe that guns are a necessity and gun ownership is an inalienable right. So how is a basic lower a luxury? How is run of the mill .223 ammo a luxury?

Setting a price based on cost and replacement is understandable.

Driving up the cost of replacement by tossing out a ridiculous number and having a desperate sucker pay for it is flat stupid.

Not good business to sell anything based on unkown factors. That's speculation and you can't justify that by calling it "the market".

If you think having to buy a lower is a necessity then you're simply foolish.. You have a right to own a firearm, but not the right to set the price to what you feel is fair.

Might as well cry and whine that a SCAR 17s costs $3000 and that it should be more affordable at $1200..

And yea, you sound a bit OWS.. don't ya think?

So, why is that "sucker" desperate? Because he put off doing something that he should have done before. HE set the price.. not the seller.. the seller NEVER sets the price. If you took basic ECON101 then you would know that.

And he's not a sucker.. he paid what he thought something was worth based on his level of need and the level of supply.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Not good business to sell anything based on unkown factors. That's speculation and you can't justify that by calling it "the market".

I disagree. It is good business to sell your product for the maximum amount of profit. If a customer is willing to pay it, I am willing to accept it.

[Steve1968LS2]

I disagree. It is good business to sell your product for the maximum amount of profit. If a customer is willing to pay it, I am willing to accept it.

Most comments in this thread show me how poorly econ is taught in schools.. lol

No wonder Obama got re-elected..

Pop quiz: Why do iPads never go on sale? A: Because they don't have to.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Most comments in this thread show me how poorly econ is taught in schools.. lol

That is a challenge! I start teaching econ to my general level seniors in a week a little over a week. I haven't taught econ in quite some time.

[Loubot10]

If you think having to buy a lower is a necessity then you're simply foolish.. You have a right to own a firearm, but not the right to set the price to what you feel is fair.

Might as well cry and whine that a SCAR 17s costs $3000 and that it should be more affordable at $1200..

And yea, you sound a bit OWS.. don't ya think?

So, why is that "sucker" desperate? Because he put off doing something that he should have done before. HE set the price.. not the seller.. the seller NEVER sets the price. If you took basic ECON101 then you would know that.

And he's not a sucker.. he paid what he thought something was worth based on his level of need and the level of supply.

Don't know what OWS is but some of your other comments are pretty condescending.

Let me reiterate my point which you didn't address. It has more to do with "community" then your classroom Econ 1 basic premise.

In this community, we are bound by a common and shared belief that weapons and our right to own them are indeed an inalienable right. This should complicate the decision on sales price.

I have a lower to sell that I paid $150.00 which I need to set a price for. If I look on the "for sale" forum in a normal situation, I see I can ask upto $225.00 which is the higher end of the price spectrum. To sweeten the deal I may offer a low cost extra.

If however, in a speculative environment, I look on the same forum to set the price and see that $800.00 is the higher end, I have to ask a couple of questions.

"Is this right?"and "Do I wish to participate in this manner?"

That's my opinion based on my own professional experience in marketing and sales, as well as an entrepreneur with more than a decade of building a successful business with a stellar reputation.

In competitive bidding, the highest and the lowest bids are routinely tossed out and established relationships do indeed factor into the decision making process.

While Econ 1 presents the basic principles of economics, I think we can both agree that it does not present the more complex and dynamic facets of business such as ethics and relationships, or in this case community and common goals. If it did there wouldn't be a need for further education.

The most important thing is that I practice what I preach. Take a look at the I-Trader comments and you'll see that I pay asking price based on decisions made prior to contacting the seller. I also price my items at a fair price based on what they cost me, not at a "haggle down" price.

Every one is entitled to their own opinion. Presenting an argument based on only the most basic principles however, seems to avoid information in order to justify a specific position.

If someone wants to screw a buyer and play games, they sell stuff at a swap meet or at a gun show where there are few complicating relationships.

Ten percent can price their last LMT at 800 percent over cost because it's the only one around NOW. But when things even out regardless of what price the market ends up at, I will remember those vendors and sellers who jumped simply because they could and will not purchase from them.

"Screw me once....." That is the entire market reality.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Ten percent can price their last LMT at 800 percent over cost because it's the only one around NOW. But when things even out regardless of what price the market ends up at, I will remember those vendors and sellers who jumped simply because they could and will not purchase from them.

Yes, lots of people say that. I am not worried about it for two reasons.

#1: you weren't my customer from the start. When you have never bought anything from me and you don't plan on buying anything from me, the threat of never using me again is kind of impotent. If you were one of my big money customers, then I might be concerned. However, if you were one of my big money customers, you would have a pre-existing relationship with me and I wouldn't be reaming you along with the rest of the people I have never met before in my life, but just came in and bought $225 lowers.

#2: The money these guys are spending now is well worth it and the odds of people remembering "the gougers" are pretty slim. I sold expensive lowers in the last panic. That did not stop me from staying in business in between and through this panic. When it comes down to it, the people paying the money they are paying now willing agree to pay that money. They don't feel like they are getting gouged. They feel fortunate to get it while they can.

Again, I am in the business to make money. If I can sell things high, I will sell them high. The only realistic check to my high prices is demand. If people won't pay it, then I will have to lower them. However, not many customers hold grudges when you treat them fair, even if your prices are high. And in this market, people respect being able to buy goods more than they care they paid too much.

But what do I know?

[Loubot10]

Yes, lots of people say that. I am not worried about it for two reasons.

#1: you weren't my customer from the start. When you have never bought anything from me and you don't plan on buying anything from me, the threat of never using me again is kind of impotent. If you were one of my big money customers, then I might be concerned. However, if you were one of my big money customers, you would have a pre-existing relationship with me and I wouldn't be reaming you along with the rest of the people I have never met before in my life, but just came in and bought $225 lowers.

#2: The money these guys are spending now is well worth it and the odds of people remembering "the gougers" are pretty slim. I sold expensive lowers in the last panic. That did not stop me from staying in business in between and through this panic. When it comes down to it, the people paying the money they are paying now willing agree to pay that money. They don't feel like they are getting gouged. They feel fortunate to get it while they can.

Again, I am in the business to make money. If I can sell things high, I will sell them high. The only realistic check to my high prices is demand. If people won't pay it, then I will have to lower them. However, not many customers hold grudges when you treat them fair, even if your prices are high. And in this market, people respect being able to buy goods more than they care they paid too much.

But what do I know?

My sincerest apologies. I errored in using your name in my example.

I completely forgot that it was your business name and not just your handle. My point had nothing to do with TenPercent and was directed towards making a personal observation of the current gun market.

For anyone that cares to read this, I am unaware of any pricing at TenPercent and do intend to visit the shop myself (if I'm not banned from the store).