Valkyrie Arms closed till when???

[MaceWindu]

I'm done here. I explained the situation in order to help others. Political debates are not the issue.

Good luck to all.

[losgatoscc]

If its a DOJ audit, maybe. It's it's an ATF audit, no, they dont care about SSE



Did you not read the thread at all? First off, the ATF agents can and WILL lie to you, straight up, to your face. ATF audits are a surprise, they will just show up one morning and announce that an audit is happening. It happens once every 2-3 years or so, but it does happen. DOJ audits take less time, but they also happen more frequently, once every few months or so.


Let's stick to what we know, not speculation right??? And even if we assume that this is true, why wouldn't the owner get back into the business and run it himself while doing interviews, rather then lose profit by leaving his doors closed??



But California suppliers haven't been dried up... Every other store in the bay is getting guns, often large amounts!! If a customer is looking for a particular gun, Its basically assured that one of the major suppliers, whether it's RSR, GAS, Accusport, sports south, LAN world, or others will have it in stock. The only guns that are getting really hard to find are AR-15's and AK's. Hell, even if the suppliers are out, a dealer can call his rep from the manufacturer, and place an order DIRECTLY from the manufacturer.




So the dealer is allowed to release all of the guns that have been properly DROS'd, but not sell anything new.... Just like they are doing now....



Sorry but you're wrong, the ATF most definitely audits every single FFL holder at least once every three years, which is the life of the license before it can be renewed. Also, ATF audits are unannounced, while the DOJ MIGHT give you notice ahead of time. They are not obligated to at all.

the doj does the audit. the atf does not do the audit...they are only there for investigations and action. please follow up on how things work before getting personal. the doj will tell them when i audit is happening, if the atf does a audit so to speak, its because the doj found a irregularity or the atf has knowledge of illegal activities within, then yes they do show up randomly

please keep the commenting professional, no need to get personal here, its just a gun forum.

ive only heard about the owner, and he isnt a customer service kind of guy from what ive heard. he opened the business to expand his collection and to gain licensees to posses and own atf and class 3 items.

as for the comment on the dealers drying up...yes you are right, there are guns everywhere, but most people go to va not to buy just guns, but hard to find guns, VA prides themselves on sticking with the lowest bid dealers to make the most money then can, naturally, other stores will just get you the gun. there is a disconnect with customer service at VA yes thats true, ive never once had a issue and i can only agree with the others who have had a issues...sorry to hear

as for the function of the store

a gun store is a business license that is regulated by state and insurance companies.

a gun store applies for the license by a me-diary share holder(owner of whatever)

gains the license on the address where the shop is present. then they can run the business as they deem. they then have to follow all the firearm transfer and sale laws that come with a ffl. each any every employee in a gun store must posses a sparkling clean record, not even a dui, it must be cleared to work there usually. helping hands or assemblers can sometimes squeeze by these rules, but generally the store owner has to manage his liability expenses. these come with hefty background checks, and then the authorization to work there is deemed fit. if a GM leaves and there is no one registered as a employable entity under the registered ffl and business license then the owner cannot just open his doors and pass out guns and or take down dros info. each employee who does these transactions must be deemed fit by the state. even if the owner has a ffl, it doesn't mean he can do a transfer. period.

go to rogers relics. youll see roger or his wife will only do long gun and c&r and basic transfers and then the other can do handgun transfers only, i dont remember which way it was, but its true, you have to be deemed fit to do he transfer by the doj, some employees can only do long gun, and only one or two can go pistol in some cases and with some gun stores. im pretty sure this is how it works

[uhlan1]

ive always used these forums for good info, however i was not a member of any, and with my collection and time spent gunsmithing for everyone i know i thought id step it up and finally get on some useful forums with my hobby

And you just happened to land here. Amazing! What are the odds of that?
Something is not right.

[bbogert]

I'm done here. I explained the situation in order to help others. Political debates are not the issue.

Good luck to all.

I appreciate your input- thx. I'll pass on my experience when appropriate. Trying to get down there but work is getting in the way! LOL

[unusedusername]

So some people have gotten emails back?

They have not responded to mine yet...

[losgatoscc]

And you just happened to land here. Amazing! What are the odds of that?
Something is not right.

please excuse yourself on your condescending talk.

i was obviously searching in google "valkyrie arms audit" and landed here
so i decided to do some research with my buddy and make some calls and post as much as i could find out.


please use your brain and be nice

[DDRH]

So some people have gotten emails back?

They have not responded to mine yet...

Same boat. Called, emailed, even went there...no reply yet.

[sully007]

So some people have gotten emails back?

They have not responded to mine yet...

I did not get a email back, Paul called me. I put my cell number in the email.

This was my email:

To whom it may concern,

I was in your shop to DROS a Winchester 94 44 mag on 11/26/2012. The ten day wait period is over on 12/6/2012. Your shop has been closed for some time now and no one returns phone messages left at the shop phone number. How do I get my rifle?

Regards
My name
(408) xxx-xxxx

PS: if you knew that was going to happen why did you let me DROS a firearm in your shop?

[vr6veedub]

I did not get a email back, Paul called me. I put my cell number in the email.

This was my email:

To whom it may concern,

I was in your shop to DROS a Winchester 94 44 mag on 11/26/2012. The ten day wait period is over on 12/6/2012. Your shop has been closed for some time now and no one returns phone messages left at the shop phone number. How do I get my rifle?

Regards
My name
(408) xxx-xxxx

PS: if you knew that was going to happen why did you let me DROS a firearm in your shop?

What time did you email him. I've yet to hear back from them.

[sully007]

What time did you email him. I've yet to hear back from them.

The email was sent 12/4/2012 @ 1:38 pm.

[alfred1222]

the doj does the audit. the atf does not do the audit...they are only there for investigations and action. please follow up on how things work before getting personal. the doj will tell them when i audit is happening, if the atf does a audit so to speak, its because the doj found a irregularity or the atf has knowledge of illegal activities within, then yes they do show up randomly

please keep the commenting professional, no need to get personal here, its just a gun forum.

ive only heard about the owner, and he isnt a customer service kind of guy from what ive heard. he opened the business to expand his collection and to gain licensees to posses and own atf and class 3 items.

as for the comment on the dealers drying up...yes you are right, there are guns everywhere, but most people go to va not to buy just guns, but hard to find guns, VA prides themselves on sticking with the lowest bid dealers to make the most money then can, naturally, other stores will just get you the gun. there is a disconnect with customer service at VA yes thats true, ive never once had a issue and i can only agree with the others who have had a issues...sorry to hear

as for the function of the store

a gun store is a business license that is regulated by state and insurance companies.

a gun store applies for the license by a me-diary share holder(owner of whatever)

gains the license on the address where the shop is present. then they can run the business as they deem. they then have to follow all the firearm transfer and sale laws that come with a ffl. each any every employee in a gun store must posses a sparkling clean record, not even a dui, it must be cleared to work there usually. helping hands or assemblers can sometimes squeeze by these rules, but generally the store owner has to manage his liability expenses. these come with hefty background checks, and then the authorization to work there is deemed fit. if a GM leaves and there is no one registered as a employable entity under the registered ffl and business license then the owner cannot just open his doors and pass out guns and or take down dros info. each employee who does these transactions must be deemed fit by the state. even if the owner has a ffl, it doesn't mean he can do a transfer. period.

go to rogers relics. youll see roger or his wife will only do long gun and c&r and basic transfers and then the other can do handgun transfers only, i dont remember which way it was, but its true, you have to be deemed fit to do he transfer by the doj, some employees can only do long gun, and only one or two can go pistol in some cases and with some gun stores. im pretty sure this is how it works

I'm sorry bud, but you're wrong on a lot of accounts. I've worked in a gun store for awhile, and I will bet every gun in my collection that the ATF does audits. I know this because I've been there for many different audits, and worked with the agents time and time again. Secondly, let me explain to you how it works. You open a gun store and get an FFL. You, by law, are now allowed to possess and transfer all of the firearms that your FFL allows you to. When you hire employee's, those employees act under your FFL. YOU and your license are responsible for their actions, not the state. If the employee messes up, it's your license on the line. Also, about Rogers relics: the law states that you only have to do transfers for the guns that you sell on the floor. So if your shop doesn't sell AR-15's, you don't have to do any transfers of those guns. If your FFL only lets you deal in C&R guns, than you can refuse to do anything else. But you're wrong when you said that the DOJ only allows certain employees to transfer certain types of guns. Any employee can transfer any firearm that is able to be transferred under the FFL. Also, if the owner holds the FFL, he can run the whole shop by himself if he wants to.

Lastly, I know plenty of gun shops where the employees do not have sparkly clean records. There isn't law saying that you need a background check to be a gun store employee. You just have to be able legally handle firearms, so no prohibited persons or minors. Now im not trying to be rude, but you don't know what you're talking about in relation to this subject. This isn't how the hiring and operational aspects of an FFL works.

[unusedusername]

I did not get a email back, Paul called me. I put my cell number in the email.

I put name, email, cell number and calguns username in mine.

I might be able to head over there on Thursday to see if anyone is around. I won't be able to make it tomorrow.

['09CTS-V&'87Turbo-T]

Are they under new ownership?

If they are under new ownership, the new owners are probably the ATF & the DOJ.

J/K, I wish everybody the best on this. Does not sound good.
I was considering going up there. Glad that I didn't and now I will not go.
Doesn't sound like my kind of place. I would think that the Sheriff's office might know something. Good luck on this.

[losgatoscc]

I'm sorry bud, but you're wrong on a lot of accounts. I've worked in a gun store for awhile, and I will bet every gun in my collection that the ATF does audits. I know this because I've been there for many different audits, and worked with the agents time and time again. Secondly, let me explain to you how it works. You open a gun store and get an FFL. You, by law, are now allowed to possess and transfer all of the firearms that your FFL allows you to. When you hire employee's, those employees act under your FFL. YOU and your license are responsible for their actions, not the state. If the employee messes up, it's your license on the line. Also, about Rogers relics: the law states that you only have to do transfers for the guns that you sell on the floor. So if your shop doesn't sell AR-15's, you don't have to do any transfers of those guns. If your FFL only lets you deal in C&R guns, than you can refuse to do anything else. But you're wrong when you said that the DOJ only allows certain employees to transfer certain types of guns. Any employee can transfer any firearm that is able to be transferred under the FFL. Also, if the owner holds the FFL, he can run the whole shop by himself if he wants to.

Lastly, I know plenty of gun shops where the employees do not have sparkly clean records. There isn't law saying that you need a background check to be a gun store employee. You just have to be able legally handle firearms, so no prohibited persons or minors. Now im not trying to be rude, but you don't know what you're talking about in relation to this subject. This isn't how the hiring and operational aspects of an FFL works.

first of all as regulation and insurance each store can conduct each transfer as it deems. if a store has a certain person registered to give a handgun dros, he and only he can do it. if the store goes over each employee and gets them authorized to do the transfer than its a policy of the store...as i stated before...if you have any questions on the fll transfers of long gun or short guns, go to rogers relics, and talk to them about it. i had a long convo on how only the person certified for the handgun dros - whom is allowed to do the handgun dros. some stores have authorization within themselves to train and allow other employees to do handgun transfers. ive also been to alot of gun stores, and ive seen this more than once. its okay if youve worked at a gun store in the past, but i do speak of experience, and no - nobody dirty can work at a gun store doing transfers. technically all you have to be is okay to handle guns as you said. yes this is true. but each person responsible for a transfer must be cleared and also deemed fit by the insurance company. not just by the state.

if a store owner is a employee he can carry a ffl like what your example was. if the store owner carries more than one ffl and or location, and or a corporate licensed ffl, he the owner is not able to do any transfers due to conflict of interest limitations. if the store owner of VA owns a ffl for the address and has a limited liability license then he is just a owner, not a person authorized to do a ffl. now how stores you worked for, or how things were in your scenario - doesn't mean how things are. yes some stores have a single account and immediate employees do some transfers. but technically each person doing a transfer must be approved by the doj. you cant just get hired on by someone who has a ffl and he would show you the ropes, its not how things work.

i hope u can understand the atf lies, yes it does, they didn't come to do the audit, there was a discrepancy with some paperwork or items, that had a red flag...then they came for a "audit" the doj is the ones responsible for conducting the regular audits. on the spot audits arent audits so to speak. its when theres a issue with paperwork or certain nfa items, the atf gets involved. if you dobt this, call both agency yourself and ask them the question. i did.

its okay buddy we all love guns hahahaha

[cpatbay]

They replied my email right away and I am on my way there to ick up my lower.... Cross my fingers!