Bought a magazine that holds 11 rounds

[Big O]

What happens when you stick an 11 round magazine into a bullet buttoned rifle? Stakes are much higher.

[emsalex]

That has nothing to do with what the OP is asking. And. A moot point as it is the ability to load that 11th round that's the problem not the 11th round its self. OP pointed out the mag lock issue already.

[blackbok]

Yep, saw this a few years ago.

[Tiberius]

Leaving aside the bullet-button issue, it's not illegal under the law as written to buy a high-cap mag. It is illegal to make or import or sell one. But if you can find a "High Cap Mag Store" you can load up. Of course there aren't any such stores. The law seems aimed at shutting down sellers, not targeting buyers, such as the OP.

[vintagearms]

Leaving aside the bullet-button issue, it's not illegal under the law as written to buy a high-cap mag. It is illegal to make or import or sell one. But if you can find a "High Cap Mag Store" you can load up.

That would be incorrect logic. According to the Wiki, the word import has several meanings, including this one. "An import of a good occurs when there is a change of ownership from a non-resident to a resident; this does not necessarily imply that the good in question physically crosses the frontier"

As case could be made in court that you knowingly imported the magazine. Remember, it will cost you money and time defending yourself. Is it really worth it???

[The Gleam]

Say 4 "Our Fathers", 2 "Hail Marys", stopping thinking impure thoughts - and don't load your 10-round magazine with 11 rounds anymore.

Go in peace my child....

[FourTenJaeger]

Good lord there are some scared people in this thread.

Who the **** cares - 10 or 11, It's ONE additional round, Yes ONE, And if you put one in the chamber and then load an 11 round magazine in ZOMG YOU HAVE 12!! TERRORIST!!!!!!!

Relax. Nothing will happen. No one cares - let alone would care if your 10 rounder happens to hold 11. No black helicopters, no Swat team. No nothing.

[johnthomas]

Take the spring out, it will hold a few more, won't work, but it will hold more than 11.
Anything I have that is a 10 round mag, only gets 10 rounds. If they holds more, I would never know.

[ClarenceBoddicker]

Overloading mags like that can ruin the spring by giving it a set. Mags that wont feed reliable all the time are only good for plinking. It's been a common practice to underload some mags for better reliability. Browning High Power mags were only loaded to 12 rounds by the Brits. Lurps in Vietnam would only load 18 rounds in their 20 round M-16 mags. Maybe some of those "11 round" mags were designed that way so the spring would not take a set when left loaded for a long time.

[dieselpower]

Be it 11 or 20 or 1500 round belt.... Legal is legal.

If I made a 10/30 mag that I could fit an 11th round in I would have made an 11 round magazine. Same as the one the OP bought legally. I feel if the op posted he made a ten round mag that can accept 11 rounds every one would agree he manufactured a high cap magazine. How is it any different than this gun show magazine. He was sold a magazine That can hold hold 11 rounds of the ammo it was made to be used with( trying to avoid a 9mm in a 40sw mag threadjack). That what CA calls a high cap magazine. He bought it legally, there is no conspiracy to commit here.

Why can't he rebuild his legally obtained high cap magazine?

The reason he SHOULDN'T rebuild this to hold 30 is simple.... that would be a crime. He would be taking a 10 rd magazine and manufacturing a 30 rd magazine.

PLEASE THINK... its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 round magazine that can be FORCED to hold 11. IT IS NOT A LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE.

If it was LEGAL for him to take a 10rd magazine that he can FORCE a eleventh round into and build a legal LCM...then any LEO could take your other 10rd magazine...and force a eleventh round into it and charge you with a crime... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Its a 10 rd magazine... its NOT a LCM... you can just force an extra round into it. It was designed to hold only 10. If you want to debate if it was designed to hold more then 10, be my guess, but I think you will lose that debate too.

[The Gleam]

Overloading mags like that can ruin the spring by giving it a set. Mags that wont feed reliable all the time are only good for plinking. It's been a common practice to underload some mags for better reliability. Browning High Power mags were only loaded to 12 rounds by the Brits. Lurps in Vietnam would only load 18 rounds in their 20 round M-16 mags. Maybe some of those "11 round" mags were designed that way so the spring would not take a set when left loaded for a long time.

Not so. It's been discussed and overdiscussed. A loaded magazine spring, even beyond capacity, will not lose its original tension, even beyond capacity and fully compressed. It's based in physics called "Hooke's law".

It's the constant frequency of loading and unloading that wears out a spring. You can store it loaded, even overloaded, and it will work like new. I've had Colt (brand) AR and various Pachmayr/Wilson/Randall 1911 magazines loaded to max capacity stored for at least a decade and they worked as well as anything new. Loaded magazines going back 30 and 50 years have been found stored from recent wars and they worked like the day they were made.

[DeadWhiteGoose]

Good lord there are some scared people in this thread.

Who the **** cares - 10 or 11, It's ONE additional round, Yes ONE, And if you put one in the chamber and then load an 11 round magazine in ZOMG YOU HAVE 12!! TERRORIST!!!!!!!

Relax. Nothing will happen. No one cares - let alone would care if your 10 rounder happens to hold 11. No black helicopters, no Swat team. No nothing.

Agreed. Who cares? The only reason laws like this are allowed to exist is because you all let them.

[sd_shooter]

The reason he SHOULDN'T rebuild this to hold 30 is simple.... that would be a crime. He would be taking a 10 rd magazine and manufacturing a 30 rd magazine.

It's not a 10-rd magazine, it's an 11-rd magazine.

PLEASE THINK... its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 round magazine that can be FORCED to hold 11. IT IS NOT A LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE.

Why is it not an LCM? It's over 10 rounds.

If it was LEGAL for him to take a 10rd magazine that he can FORCE a eleventh round into and build a legal LCM...then any LEO could take your other 10rd magazine...and force a eleventh round into it and charge you with a crime... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Nothing is being built. It's already an LCM. Putting another round in it does not modify the mag. There's no crime whether I do it or an LEO does it.

Its a 10 rd magazine... its NOT a LCM... you can just force an extra round into it. It was designed to hold only 10. If you want to debate if it was designed to hold more then 10, be my guess, but I think you will lose that debate too.

It wasn't designed to hold more than 10, but it happens to do so.

See here:

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaMagazines

I'll quote some interesting info:

Definition of Large Capacity Magazine
CPC 12020c: (25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:

(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

And:

A large capacity magazine may be 11 rounds, or 100 rounds. In California, the "magic switch" is when a magazine holds more than 10 rounds. Because, as noted above, you may replace parts on a lawfully owned magazine, you could replace the body and spring from a 20rd AK-47 magazine with that of a 40rd AK-47 magazine, and thus legally upgrade a lawfully owned large capacity magazine without violating the law. However, if you tried this with a magazine which was not a large capacity magazine, you would be manufacturing a new one. Don't do that.

[5thgen4runner]

Agreed. Who cares? The only reason laws like this are allowed to exist is because you all let them.

Yep

[emsalex]

ieselpower;9639082]The reason he SHOULDN'T rebuild this to hold 30 is simple.... that would be a crime. He would be taking a 10 rd magazine and manufacturing a 30 rd magazine.

PLEASE THINK... its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 rd magazine...its a 10 round magazine that can be FORCED to hold 11. IT IS NOT A LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE.

If it was LEGAL for him to take a 10rd magazine that he can FORCE a eleventh round into and build a legal LCM...then any LEO could take your other 10rd magazine...and force a eleventh round into it and charge you with a crime... whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Its a 10 rd magazine... its NOT a LCM... you can just force an extra round into it. It was designed to hold only 10. If you want to debate if it was designed to hold more then 10, be my guess, but I think you will lose that debate too.

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EDIT: I will keep this respectful.

I think any mag that can hold more than 10 rounds and function is a LCM, you do not. and that's just fine.