Ammo Bros Warning

[Prc329]

Just because someone thinks I am white washing the situation here is what went down.

I got there during my lunch break from work. Takes me about 15 minutes to get there from my job. I walk in and there is about 6 guys in there. A cop drosing a lower, his girlfriend, an a couple of other guys milling around the desk asking questions about ARs and optics. Darren is helping the cop, Dustin is helping another customer and another guy who's name I can't recall is helping someone else. So I make my way over to the counter and look at the uppers and drool over the 1919. I notice a few DPMS uppers and a couple of Stags. No Stag 2hts but there is a 2h. It did not have a rear sight on it and no price tag, non of the oppers had rear sights but the ones that had carry handles on them. There was an upper with what looked like a 20" barrel, rail and picittany (sp?) railed gas block with no sights for $695 and what I believe was a 2H with a carry handle. I forget the price but I do remember thinking it was good.

That is when I noticed Darren was done so I can go and get my lowers. I head over but a guy asked about MI sights (which they were out of). I then got into a conversation about the Off List Lower I got from 10% and talked about how Ammo Bros and 10% are two of the good guys I like to deal with. Darren went off looking for my Double Star and my OLL lower. I take a quick look in the case where the sights are and I see a bunch of MI front sights and some off brand stuff.

In the mean while Dustin is helping a guy with an ACOG and I noticed the 556. It had a folding stock and I noticed the bullet button and what looked like a C-Product mag. They were using it to demo the Acog that was mounted. I remember this pretty clearly cause I got a chuckle off the guy asking what the 300 means on the sight. Basically he was about to spend a lot of money on an optic he new absolutely nothing about except it was cool looking and the military uses them. Dustin told he it was bullet drop compensated for the 556 round and those numbers were meter marks. I did not ask a price cause then the FN SPR on the desk caught my eye. I've been drooling over that thing for a few months now, just can't justify buying it with my Remmy in my safe. A Mossberg semi-auto shotgun with ghost ring sights and a speed feed stock on it also distracted me.

Then Darren brings me my lowers, we finish the paperwork, Dustin comes over and laughs about the OFF LIST LOWER and I completely forget to ask about the 2H-T cause I noticed I was late to get back from lunch so I left.

They were pretty busy so I did not get a chance to ask.

If this is a normal policy to remove the sights or if they are ordered that way is unknown to me. I can say that I have never seen an ARMS sight in there case and the Stag I bought from them a while ago did have one on it and was new in the box. Dustin puled it off the top of the spinner case that usually has the C&R stuff in it. It also appears to me they were cool and fixed the OPs friends upper as well.

[!@#$]

the real question is why in the hell would anyone pay $700 for a stag upper? you could get a colt,lmt,sabre,or cmmg.

[bobfried]

If you buy a buy a Quarter Pounder and it isn't a Q/P, and you shouldn't call it one.

If you are selling a Stag 2H-T and it doesn't have the rear sight on it and Stag says that model comes with one, then don't call it a 2H-T.

Rub? Or scam?

Nice try at sensationalism

I don't think you understand what you yourself are saying. The person IS NOT buying it from Stag. They're buying it from AB. If you buy a Q/P, than you should buy it from McDonalds and can be fairly sure it is a Q/P. If your buying it from "Jack's Inside a Box Burger Store" than your buying what such a store claims to be a Q/P. It could be, but it doesn't have to exactly be a Q/P. They can add some lettuce, take away the pickles and sell it to you as a Q/P.

I'm not sure where the sensationalism comment comes from as I did not try to be, just attempting to infuse some common sense into the discussion. The buyer in question, DID NOT buy such an upper form any company called Stag. He bought "an upper" from AB, no matter how it is advertised, he's buying it from AB and NOT Stag. He was able to see all the other uppers they are selling and inspect it before taking delivery. He agreed when he paid that it was as advertised (what is PHYSICALLY on the shelf) and what he wanted.

Again, I will try to make my point. If you buy a Q/P from a store that isn't McDonald's, why would you assume that it will exactly be a Q/P? By your post you expect to buy a BMW from a Honda dealership and expect it to have all the advertised options that BMW tout in an advertising campaign. You would also expect everyone to buy the advertised BMW for the same exact price? I will tell you right now that I have bought BMW's for $15,000 BELOW they're MSRP, have bought Honda's for $2000-5,000 below MSRP and have gotten extensive options thrown in for free. I have also paid several thousands over MSRP for a car that was hard to get and did not come with options such a price should have commanded. I have even bought cars that were clearly nothing like what the manufacturer advertised, because it was available there at my LOCAL INDEPENDENT dealership.

AB as far as I can tell, sold an item EXACTLY AS ADVERTISED in their store. They did not post a picture or an upper with a rear BUIS than switched out an upper without one. They do not advertise an upper with a rear BUIS at all. So when someone agrees to buy such an upper, he/she can clearly see exactly what they are buying. Now if someone can show me proof that AB was advertising it and touting that they were selling such an upper with the rear BUIS than I take everything I said back, but if they did not than they did nothing wrong.

Do not give over simplistic answer, give me a good counter to why someone would expect an item to be when they do not buy it from the source which originally advertise an item as such.

[PIRATE14]

the real question is why in the hell would anyone pay $700 for a stag upper? you could get a colt,lmt,sabre,or cmmg.

Has a factory quad rail.....they wanted a STAG upper...

[PIRATE14]

While, I agree w/ you get what you see.......

This is why...it's a bad idea to start parts substitution or start mixing parts.....

Guy buys a CMMG, should get a CMMG......etc.

There are too many different kinds of AR parts and of varing quality.....

Now, you should go back to AB, to discuss your options first, if you think you've been cheated....than bring it to the CG hive mind for discussion....

[maschronic]

ya know, i've been going to Ammo Bros for some time. All their uppers have the rear sights removed.

if you guys have been there when it is busy, there is 10 customers waiting to buy/look/pickup things. with only 3-4 employees, you can't watch over everything. i would also removed the rear sights too.

we are all human.....well, most of us anyways. haha. we all make mistakes. i'm sure of it that it was a mistake on their part. i'm sure they didn't do it to "scam" people. Dustin, Frank and the rest of the crew are good people!!

when JustinsLB's friend called them, AB said that they will give him a rear sight. i mean....if they were trying to scam him, AB would have said that he has to buy it. since AB said that they will give him one, that tells me that AB made a mistake and IS correcting it.

before you start bashing our local gun shops, just think about the whole pictures and the end result

[Hoop]

ya know, i've been going to Ammo Bros for some time. All their uppers have the rear sights removed.

if you guys have been there when it is busy, there is 10 customers waiting to buy/look/pickup things. with only 3-4 employees, you can't watch over everything. i would also removed the rear sights too.

I about busted a nut to get the rear sight off a buddy's 2h upper. I'd imagine someone banging around on an upper with a screwdriver in a crowded store would be pretty obvious.

[chickenfried]

Is this an example of why I should support the higher priced local guys?

[davedog665]

Yup support the sites vendors, save money, and get what you paid for. Got my 2ht from coldwar shooters shipped with a rear buis for much much cheaper

[Prc329]

Is this an example of why I should support the higher priced local guys?

You support the local guy because you want a good FFL to do your transfers and buy lower, etc. Without FFLs like Ammo Bros the OLL industry in CA wouldn't exist.

Ammo Bros is a good group of guys. They have always been on the up and up. There has been 2 things that have come up as a negative and each one has been corrected from what I can tell. They gave the guy his rear sight and didn't charge him and I believe they fixed the lock thing.

I'll continue to shop there.

[tankerman]

When I look at the 2HT on Stag's website it tells you what comes on the upper, the rear sight is listed. Next your going to tell me if you take off the handguards it still a 2HT. Give me breaK.

Stag-15 Complete Upper Half A.R.M.S. #40L
Factory installed Samson tactical rail
Model 2HT Pre-Ban
MSRP
$695.00

I bet you don't want to get technical by discussing what should or should not come on a gun or what the name/model # is... because if we did discuss that then YOU would not have a sound argument. Gee, I always thought that the MODEL NAME AND NUMBER were how you knew which product was what?

The manufacturer doesn't give a damn. They collect the money, they go out the shipping door, and they are happy.

A 2HT is still a 2HT whether I take the sight off it or not.

Lets not get all petty and technical on this by discussing what should or shouldn't come on the gun or what the name is...yada, yada, yada.

It is simple. Is it clear you are not buying an upper without a rear sight? If it is clear it does not come with the rear sight when you purchase it, then it really wouldn't matter what you paid for it as you knowingly and willingly paid whatever price you paid without a rear sight.

If Ammo Bros is taking off the sights and selling them for $695 still, as long as they are fully disclosing this to the customer, they are not doing anything wrong. Many consumers may not like it, but that is why you then choose not to business there or you tell them, "I can get it with a sight on it for the same price from Ten Percent Firearms, but I would rather buy it here so I don't have to wait two days for it to show up." If they say no, move on.

I have done a ton of business with PRC329 and I mean a ton. If he says he didn't get a chance to talk to him, I believe him. Even if he is padding it, I still don't care and will still evaluate this on what Ammo Bros says and hold nothing against PRC329.

Lets stop the speculation and beating around the bush. This topic shouldn't be that hard. Hell, why doesn't anyone just call them and ask them what the deal is?

[tankerman]

I don't think you understand what you yourself are saying. The person IS NOT buying it from Stag. They're buying it from AB. If you buy a Q/P, than you should buy it from McDonalds and can be fairly sure it is a Q/P. If your buying it from "Jack's Inside a Box Burger Store" than your buying what such a store claims to be a Q/P. It could be, but it doesn't have to exactly be a Q/P. They can add some lettuce, take away the pickles and sell it to you as a Q/P.

I'm not sure where the sensationalism comment comes from as I did not try to be, just attempting to infuse some common sense into the discussion. The buyer in question, DID NOT buy such an upper form any company called Stag. He bought "an upper" from AB, no matter how it is advertised, he's buying it from AB and NOT Stag. He was able to see all the other uppers they are selling and inspect it before taking delivery. He agreed when he paid that it was as advertised (what is PHYSICALLY on the shelf) and what he wanted.

Again, I will try to make my point. If you buy a Q/P from a store that isn't McDonald's, why would you assume that it will exactly be a Q/P? By your post you expect to buy a BMW from a Honda dealership and expect it to have all the advertised options that BMW tout in an advertising campaign. You would also expect everyone to buy the advertised BMW for the same exact price? I will tell you right now that I have bought BMW's for $15,000 BELOW they're MSRP, have bought Honda's for $2000-5,000 below MSRP and have gotten extensive options thrown in for free. I have also paid several thousands over MSRP for a car that was hard to get and did not come with options such a price should have commanded. I have even bought cars that were clearly nothing like what the manufacturer advertised, because it was available there at my LOCAL INDEPENDENT dealership.

AB as far as I can tell, sold an item EXACTLY AS ADVERTISED in their store. They did not post a picture or an upper with a rear BUIS than switched out an upper without one. They do not advertise an upper with a rear BUIS at all. So when someone agrees to buy such an upper, he/she can clearly see exactly what they are buying. Now if someone can show me proof that AB was advertising it and touting that they were selling such an upper with the rear BUIS than I take everything I said back, but if they did not than they did nothing wrong.

Do not give over simplistic answer, give me a good counter to why someone would expect an item to be when they do not buy it from the source which originally advertise an item as such.

I will stick to one single over simplistic answer.

Stag-15 Complete Upper Half A.R.M.S. #40L
Factory installed Samson tactical rail
Model 2HT Pre-Ban
MSRP
$695.00

From their website. The 2HT comes with A.R.M.S. #40L. This is what they come with, it (rear sight) is not an accessory it is standard equipment and the rear sight is a part of what makes it a 2HT. Notice the part that says COMPLETE UPPER HALF. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this out.

To me this is just more AMMO BROS BS. I have personally seen there shaddiness as have others. I have posted about them as have others.

And yes I do understand myself perfectly , thank you.

[CaliGunOwner]

From my dealings w/ those guys, they seem like a group of stand up guys just trying to keep a gun shop open in Ca...

[Addax]

So did we find out anything new on this situation? Just curious to see if it was resolved or not?

[tankerman]

From my dealings w/ those guys, they seem like a group of stand up guys just trying to keep a gun shop open in Ca...

What does "group of stand up guys" mean?