Glow Ammo Cold Tracers

[vantec08]

http://www.guns.com/glow-ammo-cold-tracers-non-incendiary-ammunition-7539.html

is not incendiary

[compulsivegunbuyer]

(1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material
or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that
which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition

It's the "any other chemical substance" that causes me concern, but a little reading on the subject reveals it's an electro-mechanical reaction. Could the disk be classified as a "chemical substance" by an overzealous prosecutor? Only shotguns are specifically exempted. But, it sticks on the back like a tail light, so it's not contained in the projectile. Not sure how this plays out in the land of stupid felonies.

[Merc1138]

It's the "any other chemical substance" that causes me concern, but a little reading on the subject reveals it's an electro-mechanical reaction. Could the disk be classified as a "chemical substance" by an overzealous prosecutor? Only shotguns are specifically exempted. But, it sticks on the back like a tail light, so it's not contained in the projectile. Not sure how this plays out in the land of stupid felonies.

Everything is made out of chemicals, and as such anything could be considered a chemical substance. I asked about this in a thread a few months ago and the idiotic vagueness of the law was pointed out.

Basically, if you reloaded your own ammo with chocolate chips glued to the back of the bullets and convinced everyone they were called tracers(because the PC points out that they would need to be commonly called "tracers"), you risk going to jail. You'll note that the PC doesn't indicate anything incendiary, glowing, light generating, etc. as part of what it considers to be a "tracer".

12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons: (1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.

There was a bit of debate regarding the word "containing", however I personally wouldn't risk that.

[vantec08]

hmmmmm, interesting Merc

[saki302]

Could be legal.. the intent of the tracer laws was to ban bullets that can start fires. Shotgun tracers were exempt, probably because you can run and put out a close range fire??

[Merc1138]

Could be legal.. the intent of the tracer laws was to ban bullets that can start fires. Shotgun tracers were exempt, probably because you can run and put out a close range fire??

Even if that were the case, the PC as it's written isn't concerned with whether or not the projectile was incendiary and specifically uses "any other chemical substance" separate from incendiary.

[Aspec5vz]

It's interesting because ammunitiontogo.com says that they're legal to use in CA but I'm not too sure that's accurate. There has to be a way we can find out...

[bob7122]

if someone writes to CAL DOJ and asks if this would be legal since it does not pose a fire hazard...

[compulsivegunbuyer]

Good luck getting a response. The law does state "any projectile containing and commonly known as" I would argue that the projectile has not changed. It does not contain anything, and is not a tracer round. You stuck a sticker on it that's basically a tail light. If you stuck a LED on the back would that be a tracer?

[Spiggy]

I wonder if their marketing has any interest in changing the name from "Tracer" to "light spotting"

[Merc1138]

if someone writes to CAL DOJ and asks if this would be legal since it does not pose a fire hazard...

You must be new here. The CA DOJ doesn't exist to do you any favors or clarify legality of anything. Yes, it's what they should be doing, but it's not what they actually do.

[sharxbyte]

nonetheless, they are Awesome!

[Quiet]

Because of how CA law is worded ("any other chemical substance" + "commonly know as tracer") a person can get arrested/charged for it by an overzealous LEO/DA.
The material that makes it glow can be construed as "any other chemical substance" and it is marketed as a "tracer", therefore do not import/possess it in CA. Unless you are willing to spend $$$$$ to fight a DD charge in court.


Penal Code 16460
(a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, "destructive device" includes any of the following weapons:
(1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.

Could be legal.. the intent of the tracer laws was to ban bullets that can start fires. Shotgun tracers were exempt, probably because you can run and put out a close range fire??

Shotgun tracers and signal devices are exempt from CA's DD laws, in order to not entangle boaters who use 12gauge flares and such.

[Capybara]

Too bad. Safe, an effective training aid and just plain fun to shoot, just like suppressors. Has to be illegal in California.

[vantec08]

Too bad. Safe, an effective training aid and just plain fun to shoot, just like suppressors. Has to be illegal in California.

Right. It is way too similar to military-intent tracer ammo, and everyone knows the 2nd amendment has nothing to with militias and a tyrcannical government.