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[disturbed1]

Yeah I know it has been offered and read his other posts but any negative comments are only adding fuel to a fire burning inside of him. If I can save a life I will do what ever I can.

[alfred1222]

Yeah I know it has been offered and read his other posts but any negative comments are only adding fuel to a fire burning inside of him. If I can save a life I will do what ever I can.

I agree completely

[dieselpower]

You can't give your mother money to buy a gun of any type it is illegal and it is called a straw purchase [google it]After reading some of your other posts maybe you should talk to your pastor or professional help to examine why you want a gun.Guns are not the answer to your problems.

I haven't read the whole thread so if I am the 1.5 billion person to tell you this I am sorry... You are WRONG! Your logic is flawed. Some spouses don't work...so that means they don't have the right to buy a firearm since they have to ask someone for the money? So children don't work so that means they cant buy firearms until they get a job...so now paid employment is a 2A requirement?? Think it through my friend... you are way way way off base on what is and isn't a straw buy.

[dieselpower]

Sounds like you're bouncing off the walls and seem a bit desperate to own a firearm. If you want a decent pay, ability to carry at all times without the need to apply for a LTC and a new meaning to the word "Brothers", join the military. The USMC and US Army are the best and biggest gun club in the world. If you have no life goals at the moment, they will assist you with getting one.

+1. The trouble with being young is the age thing... It all gets better with time.

To the OP, just chill for a few years.

[PEZHEAD265]

I haven't read the whole thread so if I am the 1.5 billion person to tell you this I am sorry... You are WRONG! Your logic is flawed. Some spouses don't work...so that means they don't have the right to buy a firearm since they have to ask someone for the money? So children don't work so that means they cant buy firearms until they get a job...so now paid employment is a 2A requirement?? Think it through my friend... you are way way way off base on what is and isn't a straw buy.

Why don't you tell me what a straw buy is.The ex. you gave me was the people who received the gun had no money[gift] and that is not the case here.Mom can give him a pistol as a gift that is ok it is a gift.He can't give the money to buy the pistol to his mom that is having someone buy a pistol for you when you can't buy it yourself [straw buy] If he has to "CONVINCE MY MOM TO BUY MY THE GUN WITH MY MONEY" is not a gift it is a straw buy.

Quote from MASTERNOOB
However I can see if I can find an affordable and quality storage place for the guns I plan to get and I'm gonna need to convince my mom to buy the gun with my money as she does NOT want any guns in her house whatsoever. PERIOD

[repubconserv]

Dieselpower, pez's statement was unclear and wrong in taken out of context, but in the context of this thread he is right.

OP wanted to give money to his mom to buy a gun for him... a gun he can not legally purchase

[dieselpower]

Dieselpower, pez's statement was unclear and wrong in taken out of context, but in the context of this thread he is right.

OP wanted to give money to his mom to buy a gun for him... a gun he can not legally purchase

and that is only correct if he is a PROHIBITED PERSON BY LAW. My mom never worked a day in her life. At 16 if I handed her my paycheck and said, "Please buy me a firearm." No crime has been committed. I am not prohibited by law from owning. Its not against the law for her to give it to me. She is my Mother. Its just against the law for me, myself alone to buy a handgun. Its like going to a Rate R movie... My 13 year old can't get in alone... I can take her. At that point it doesnt matter where the money came from to buy the ticket.

The BATFE is very clear on this. A Straw buy is when a person is BYPASSING the system inorder to obtain a firearm. Giving the money to buy a firearm to your spouse or children or parent is NOT bypassing the law.

If the OP is a prohibited person due to mental or criminal status, then yes its illegal for ANYONE to give him a firearm no matter who what where or when it happens.

[orangeusa]

So a strawman under-age purchase is not PROHIBITED by LAW? How in heck is this different than purchasing BOOZE for a 16/18 year old?

And if OP does damage - isn't his mother LIABLE for that?

Plus in context, he has no idea of what he is doing wrt gun safety and storage.

and that is only correct if he is a PROHIBITED PERSON BY LAW. My mom never worked a day in her life. At 16 if I handed her my paycheck and said, "Please buy me a firearm." No crime has been committed. I am not prohibited by law from owning. Its not against the law for her to give it to me. She is my Mother. Its just against the law for me, myself alone to buy a handgun. Its like going to a Rate R movie... My 13 year old can't get in alone... I can take her. At that point it doesnt matter where the money came from to buy the ticket.

The BATFE is very clear on this. A Straw buy is when a person is BYPASSING the system inorder to obtain a firearm. Giving the money to buy a firearm to your spouse or children or parent is NOT bypassing the law.

If the OP is a prohibited person due to mental or criminal status, then yes its illegal for ANYONE to give him a firearm no matter who what where or when it happens.

[repubconserv]

So a strawman under-age purchase is not PROHIBITED by LAW? How in heck is this different than purchasing BOOZE for a 16/18 year old?

And if OP does damage - isn't his mother LIABLE for that?

Plus in context, he has no idea of what he is doing wrt gun safety and storage.

It is different than purchasing alcohol for minors/under 21, because it is legal for any person 18 or older to own a hand gun. You just have to be 21 or older to purchase from an ffl

The mom would not be liable for anything if everything was done legally.

[PEZHEAD265]

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGklFA6YhPwB4A32VXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1dTFlOHBuBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0ZFRDAxMl8yNzk-/SIG=11vo8vkqf/EXP=1334401472/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_purchase

Diesel you are WRONG read this it states that a straw purchase is buying a firearm for somebody who can't buy it them self.He is 18 he can't purchase a pistol so if he has his mom purchase 1 with his money that is a straw purchase.The first post when I said that she can't buy a firearm for him was the first response to his tread and I should have quoted him but didn't because I was the first to answer him.

[PEZHEAD265]

It is different than purchasing alcohol for minors/under 21, because it is legal for any person 18 or older to own a hand gun. You just have to be 21 or older to purchase from an ffl

The mom would not be liable for anything if everything was done legally.

If Mom gave him the pistol as a Bonafide Gift that is legal.If he gives Mom the money to purchase it, it is not a gift it is a straw purchase.The law states for what ever reason a person can't PURCHASE SOMETHING[NOT OWN]and another person purchase it for them it is illegal.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdS3.7ohPMjYAW4ZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1dTFlOHBuBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA0ZFRDAxMl8yNzk-/SIG=11vfksujh/EXP=1334402942/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_purchase

[dieselpower]

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGk...Straw_purchase

Diesel you are WRONG read this it states that a straw purchase is buying a firearm for somebody who can't buy it them self.He is 18 he can't purchase a pistol so if he has his mom purchase 1 with his money that is a straw purchase.The first post when I said that she can't buy a firearm for him was the first response to his tread and I should have quoted him but didn't because I was the first to answer him.

If Mom gave him the pistol as a Bonafide Gift that is legal.If he gives Mom the money to purchase it, it is not a gift it is a straw purchase.The law states for what ever reason a person can't PURCHASE SOMETHING[NOT OWN]and another person purchase it for them it is illegal.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGd...Straw_purchase

I'm not going to argue this anymore with you. I am not even going to go check your, "dogs can't look up" links. You are 100% wrong. You are operating under a myth and lack of understanding of ATFs rulings. Its not just you, many many FFLs get it wrong too. The GCA and NFA are put into place to make sure our 2A rights are regulated and the public is "safe".

You can not tell a grown adult they can not purchase firearms simply because they don't have a source of income other than their children. Heck you are telling the world a Stay-home Mom (or Stay home Dad) who raises the kids isn't allowed to buy a firearm with the money their spouse makes. You have no clue what you are talking about.

If a person who is 100% legal to buy a firearm asks a NON-PARENT/SPOUSE person (Such as a Roommate, School mate, Team mate), to buy them a firearm and hands them money...ITS ILLEGAL. The fact they can pass a background and can own a firearm DOESN'T allow this. They MUST buy the firearm themselves. If that Roommate, Schoolmate or Teammate uses their own money and buys a firearm as a gift for that person, then its LEGAL.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE OR THE LAW FOR FAMILY MEMBERS.

A Parent can buy guns for their children. A child can buy guns for their parent. A NON-WORKING PARENT OR SPOUSE CAN USE MONEY PROVIDED BY THE WORKING SPOUSE OR CHILD TO BUY FIREARMS. EMPLOYMENT IS NOT A GCA OR NFA REQUIREMENT.. It makes no difference if the child is asking for the firearm. Its still legal. My list to Santa Claus had a .22 rifle with scope on it...are you telling me my Father committed a crime because he bought me a .22 rifle I asked for? Are you freaking kidding me?? Are you saying that it was only Legal because my dad worked, but if I was a child movie-star and all money came from my earnings my dad couldn't buy a firearm...Really guys????...Stop and think.

You people need to step back and examine the myths you believe.

[dieselpower]

I am going to make this clear by using a situational logic.

A family is sitting around watching TV. Mom is 48 years old, she takes care of the house. Dad is 50 and the one who works and brings home the money. Daughter is 18, doesn't work and goes to school full-time.

Situation #1.
Daughter- Mom, What do you want for Christmas?
Mom- I really like going shooting with your dad, buy me a shotgun as a gift.
Dad- grumble
Daughter- OK, I'll need about $1,000.
Mom- OK, heres $600, and I'll give you another $400 when Dad gets paid.

100% legal. Where the money comes from is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that all persons are legal and not in a prohibited class.

Situation #2
Mom- Daughter, what do you want for your birthday?
Daughter- I really like going shooting with dad, buy me a shotgun.
Mom-OK, I'll take money out of his next paycheck and buy it for you.

100% LEGAL.

Now a switch... Dad is a disabled person. He was hit by a car and can't work. He has no income. Mom takes care of dad, she has no income. Daughter is a Rockstar, makes $1,000,000 per year.

Situation #3
Rockstar- Dad what do you want for Fathers day?
Dad- An AR15.
Rockstar- OK, I'll buy you one as a gift.

100% legal.

Situation #4
Rockstar- Dad what do you want for Fathers day?
Dad- A Glock in .40.
Rockstar- Well I can't buy pistols by law, so I need to just give you the money.
Dad- OK.

100% legal

Situation #5
Dad- Rockstar, what do you want for your birthday?
Rockstar- A Glock in 9mm.
Dad- OK, I'll need about $700.
Rockstar- Ok dad, here's the money.

100% legal

Now we turn Mom, Dad and Daughter into 3 Roommates living in the same house....

All situations, except #4, are ILLEGAL. The person buying the firearm MUST buy the firearm as a GIFT, or for themselves. Where the money comes from does matter at that point. Its a clause to make sure people are not loopholing the "gift" option when buying a firearm.

[monkeylice]

Maybe you should start a NEW THREAD to host the straw purchase argument?

MASTERNOOB:

I would say it's best to hold off on the shooting until you are in a better situation with your living quarters and finances. I don't want to make assumptions about you, but I think you should invest in a good weight set or hire a personal trainer. A good workout routine is an excellent way to build self-esteem, burn your negative energy off, and get laid a whole lot more.

[PEZHEAD265]

DIESEL situation # 5 is a straw purchase.I would like to see that situation played out where the son hands the money to the dad in front of the FFL.That deal will be squashed like a bug.It might happen at the kitchen table but in front of a FFL or on a public forum it is a straw purchase.Since you want to apply logic.[18 yr old]If I give you cash to buy yourself a pistol that is a gift legal.[18 yr old]If I give you the cash to buy me a pistol how is that a gift if I paid for it????Who is streching the gift lawIt is a 100% a straw purchase.

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