Have you ever shot anyone?

[lawnrevenge]

Something I did as a boy scout in Calico has been useful (meaning now when I go there to shoot we do the same thing...

We make a pistol course more or less, nothing too extensive, we just use a high wall canyon with soft sides and clays. you make several shots that are from certain points, distance, angles, close. Always be safe (meaning only soft soil and obey 4 rules) Basically you are timed while going to each point and taking a shot at the clay, holstering (for safety) and running to the next. I can't shoot for snot after the first few shots, adrenaline and my out of shape self contribute to that. But I'm getting better. Once you can in two mags do my 10 target course (that's 16 shots, not 66) you will feel better about your abilities. I've thought about doing something more elaborate but don't have the money or place to do it. Maybe something that shoots (paint balls) back and so you must not only shoot targets but from concealment or cover. The point is that shooting at the range at paper is a great way to have fun and get good trigger time, but to shoot in a situation that will involve adrenaline and possibly physical exertion (running, fighting, just the fact that you're in a fight) you should train for it. That's why our military trains in the deserts out here before going to the sandbox. It's not war but the closer you get to reality the easier reality will be to handle.

I'm not disabled but I do have a back condition that when I'm not medicated makes running or hell, walking or getting out of a chair, difficult. I doubt I could flee, and if not armed most would have an advantage against me. So I plan accordingly and I figure that if I can do stuff (like my calico pistol course) I stand a better chance of not losing if I ever need to defend myself or others.

[dondo]

I took a self defense class. I have a disabled wife (meaning running is out of the question). I have seen police shootings before and I notice that they only retain around 10% of their training when shooting in self defense (and they are wearing vests).

I also have a Utah CCW and I am trying to get an LA CCW (I hear it is almost impossible). But my first question still stands. Does your training kick in or is it all adrenaline and you just empty the mag? I would really like to know what to expect given if the situation ever arises.

Will my hands be steady enough to place the shots correctly let alone hold a pistol? Things of that sort - that is why I asked people that have actually gone though this experience. At the range I can put 25 rounds center mass no problem.

I take offense to some of the people who posted here due to the fact that I did ask a valid question and was met with sarcasm and some people were joking around about a very serious subject. I am here to learn about firearms, laws, and how to defend my loved ones (hell you guys are making me want to build an AR now). That is nothing to joke around about or be sarcastic. If you don't have anything to contribute then don't post.

You shouldn't let posts bother you. Your original question obviously struck people the wrong way. Just sift through the bullsh*t until you find the answer your looking for. Sometimes people write funny stuff, sometimes helpful, sometimes ignorant. It is the internet after all. Doesn't really make anybody an idiot or a slack jawwed !@#$%^. I have read through your prior posts and you are a pretty straight shooter and a to the point guy it seems. Others are a bit more colorful. Sometimes bashing or posting nonsense is fun. Don't let it offend you.

[jfk]

Tomorrow (16th) will be fifteen years as an LEO for me. I went to the academey with 10+ guys. Out of our group, the first shooting occured two months out of the academy. One of our classmates killed a burglar who attack him on an alarm call.

Another one from our group shot and killed a guy who pointed a pistol at his partner. They responded to a shots fired call and the suspect pointed a gun at them.

A third member of our group was involved in a shooting after a car chase. The driver exited the car and pointed a sawed off shotgun at the officers.

A fourth guy in our group was involved in two shootings. Fortunately for the suspects this officer missed them.


I almost had to shoot a battery suspect during my second month in training. The suspect fled the scene after beating up his girlfriend. She told us he took off on foot less than 1-2 minutes before we arrived. She showed us a magazine that belonged to the gun. I told my training officer the magazine was a 30 rd. AK47 mag. While searching the area, I encountered the suspect who came out from behind a shed. Luckily I already had my gun drawn on this guy. The suspect had his hands behind his back and would not comply to my commands. The suspect continued to walk towards me with his hands behind his back. I was stuck in a gated area and the homeowner was trying to unlock the gate for me. The suspect finally placed his hands up and I heard something fall to the ground. My training officer hoped the fence and cuffed the guy up. It turns out his AK47 was behind his back and it was loaded and ready to fire. The suspect was high on meth and had been awake for four days and hallucenating. That was the closet time I ever had to shoot someone. I don't think shooting someone is something to brag about but if that is needed to go home alive to my family, so be it.

[LECTRIKHED]

I like how he chose not to respond to my post.

Go pickup a Massad Ayoob book. Don't ask these questions on a forum and go psycho when people point out that your question is in bad taste. We expect this stuff from 15 year olds, but not grown adults. Maybe there is a reason that people think you are a complete tool of the Brady Campaign. You are a Brady wet dream.

It is clear by your posts that you are dying for the opportunity to shoot someone and you drool over details about real life violence. Your blood lust is immature and disturbing. People don't choose nicknames based solely on looks. Since you choose to refer to yourself by the same name as a deranged killer, it says something about your personality.

I am genuinely recommending that you seek therapy. You may improve your life and those around you. Further more you will likely save a life of the poor soul that you shoot in the head when they walk across your lawn. Seriously, you need to seek therapy. This is not an insult or jab at you. They can help improve your life.

I am 100% sure that you will shoot someone if you do not receive therapy. It is clear you want to shoot someone. I hope that if you do, the police will use this post against you and send you to jail for murder. It will be murder, no matter what the circumstances. Not all situations where shooting is justified, does one actually need to take another's life. In reality in most of these situations, shooting can be avoided. There is a reason that some people are charged for murder in what can be a defensive type situations. This is it.

I hope that you get help before taking another's life.
I hope that you leave the Calguns community and stop giving the Brady Campaign fuel for their fire.
I hope that you stop posting these socially inappropriate and offensive posts.
I hope that my blood pressure does not continue to rise when I read these posts.

I for one will be leaving the Calguns community if it gets taken over by blood lusting individuals.

Please, seek therapy.

[ivanimal]

Hey genius - do you know that I did not ask a single person yet asked a community? They were all free to share or not to share? Your part of the 90%.

I am sure this question is important to you. I am sorry we did not answer and satisfy your curiosity. However this is a public forum and it is privately owned and moderated. Your attitude will not be tolerated here. Take your bad attitude away from here, or it will be taken from here. The posts here are not out of line. The question in my opinion is.
I have had conversations with individuals that have had to use a firearm or whatever to take a life in self defense. After many years and much trust they may talk to someone about it. I feel honored that they trusted me to share their experiences. Why on earth would you think that that kind of confidence would or should be shared here, and with you? Why are you angry that no one wants to talk about it?

If you call one more person here a name or imply their IQ is not up to yours, you will be asked to leave. Please read the forum rules if you need a refresher.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=38471
Pay close attention to "C".

[bwiese]

While the orig poster may have had some legit questions he appears to me to move on toward 'begging the question' to stir controversy at best, at worst dunno what he's trying to do.

Given this is a public forum being watched by non-/antigunners post like this get the "gunnies have bloodlust" themes going that they can trot out to local media.

I also note your username is "Waingro", the psychopathidiot murderer in Heat that even the "pro" crooks didn't respect - and whose actions led to their demise.

[elSquid]

I also have a Utah CCW and I am trying to get an LA CCW (I hear it is almost impossible). But my first question still stands. Does your training kick in or is it all adrenaline and you just empty the mag? I would really like to know what to expect given if the situation ever arises.

Will my hands be steady enough to place the shots correctly let alone hold a pistol? Things of that sort - that is why I asked people that have actually gone though this experience. At the range I can put 25 rounds center mass no problem.

FWIW. This is worth the 12 bucks:

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Bullets-G.../dp/0873648773\

Cirillo was in several gunfights as a member of the NYPD stakeout squad. He's very matter of fact and humble about his experiences; no chest thumping in this book.

http://www.americanhandgunner.com/CAF0108.html

-- Michael

[QuarterBoreGunner]

Also this one. I can't say it's a "good" read, but certainly worthwhile:
On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

[Waingro]

I like how he chose not to respond to my post.

Go pickup a Massad Ayoob book. Don't ask these questions on a forum and go psycho when people point out that your question is in bad taste. We expect this stuff from 15 year olds, but not grown adults. Maybe there is a reason that people think you are a complete tool of the Brady Campaign. You are a Brady wet dream.

It is clear by your posts that you are dying for the opportunity to shoot someone and you drool over details about real life violence. Your blood lust is immature and disturbing. People don't choose nicknames based solely on looks. Since you choose to refer to yourself by the same name as a deranged killer, it says something about your personality.

I am genuinely recommending that you seek therapy. You may improve your life and those around you. Further more you will likely save a life of the poor soul that you shoot in the head when they walk across your lawn. Seriously, you need to seek therapy. This is not an insult or jab at you. They can help improve your life.

I am 100% sure that you will shoot someone if you do not receive therapy. It is clear you want to shoot someone. I hope that if you do, the police will use this post against you and send you to jail for murder. It will be murder, no matter what the circumstances. Not all situations where shooting is justified, does one actually need to take another's life. In reality in most of these situations, shooting can be avoided. There is a reason that some people are charged for murder in what can be a defensive type situations. This is it.

I hope that you get help before taking another's life.
I hope that you leave the Calguns community and stop giving the Brady Campaign fuel for their fire.
I hope that you stop posting these socially inappropriate and offensive posts.
I hope that my blood pressure does not continue to rise when I read these posts.

I for one will be leaving the Calguns community if it gets taken over by blood lusting individuals.

Please, seek therapy.

Picture attached above is me. I get asked for autographs at Starbucks weekly when I grow out my hair and beard. I am 6'0 and look pretty much identical to the character. It is a nickname and a joke among my co-workers and buddies.

My wife was recently in a very bad car accident - she was in the hospital for 3 weeks. She is still going through rehabilitation. She is currently in a wheel chair.

While my wife was in the hospital someone broke into my neighbors house, raped the wife and beat the husband so badly he was in a coma for 3 days. I do not make much money - I cannot afford to live in nice areas, especially with current real estate (I do construction). Plus the fact that my wife cannot work anymore and her medical bills.

My wife and I both refuse to leave California, we both grew up here and we like it. Yet I want to be ready god forbid anyone tries to harm my wife or I.

You don't know who I am. I am a very nice person and have never shot a firearm until I took out my shotgun I got years and years ago after the robbery next door. I have no wish to do anyone harm. I posted this because I am afraid I will not be able to protect my wife due to the fear shooting someone. (We also are very religious, Roman Catholic)

I do not even hunt or have a desire to hunt - your accusations are very incorrect and without any backing.

So unless by 'blood lust' you mean changing my wives bandages after her next surgery then I doubt I need therapy.

An apology would be nice.

Vince.

One more thing: I never ever said the word kill. I said shoot. Meaning stop. Not shoot meaning get an AK-47 and unload. I am 100% sure that you will make more mistakes if you do not take reading classes.

Second thing: Thank you for your recommendations on the books.

Third thing: I don't have a lawn.

Forth and final edit: Maybe now you know why I took this very seriously.

[Waingro]

I am sure this question is important to you. I am sorry we did not answer and satisfy your curiosity. However this is a public forum and it is privately owned and moderated. Your attitude will not be tolerated here. Take your bad attitude away from here, or it will be taken from here. The posts here are not out of line. The question in my opinion is.
I have had conversations with individuals that have had to use a firearm or whatever to take a life in self defense. After many years and much trust they may talk to someone about it. I feel honored that they trusted me to share their experiences. Why on earth would you think that that kind of confidence would or should be shared here, and with you? Why are you angry that no one wants to talk about it?

If you call one more person here a name or imply their IQ is not up to yours, you will be asked to leave. Please read the forum rules if you need a refresher.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=38471
Pay close attention to "C".

1) I bet that the IQ's of most of the members here are much higher then mine (never took the test), yet when I am asked a question either on the internet or in person I give a response to that question.

2) I am not angry that no one will share their experiences with me, I am upset that people have turned a very serious and fearful matter in my life into sarcasm and a joke. If there were 0 responses in this thread I would not be upset at all.

Right now is a very upsetting time in my life and my wives lives - given the information I have shared I believe my reactions to the other posters comments were justified.

I read C and I assume you are speaking about the 'clean and civil' clause. The way I look at it; if I ask a question and 90% of the posters are giving sarcastic, joking, or idiotic responses to a VERY serious matter that makes them idiots.

But for some reason I have a feeling you guys have had some bad apples in here before and you are cautious and not very welcoming of newcomers. So I understand your concern and after my previous post I do not believe that anyone else will be joking about this matter anymore.

[CalNRA]

1) I bet that the IQ's of most of the members here are much higher then mine (never took the test), yet when I am asked a question either on the internet or in person I give a response to that question.

2) I am not angry that no one will share their experiences with me, I am upset that people have turned a very serious and fearful matter in my life into sarcasm and a joke. If there were 0 responses in this thread I would not be upset at all.

Right now is a very upsetting time in my life and my wives lives - given the information I have shared I believe my reactions to the other posters comments were justified.

I read C and I assume you are speaking about the 'clean and civil' clause. The way I look at it; if I ask a question and 90% of the posters are giving sarcastic, joking, or idiotic responses to a VERY serious matter that makes them idiots.

But for some reason I have a feeling you guys have had some bad apples in here before and you are cautious and not very welcoming of newcomers. So I understand your concern and after my previous post I do not believe that anyone else will be joking about this matter anymore.

if you think 90% of posts on this thread is idiotic, I suggest you go back and read the thread. Many people, including myself, have offered explanation on why asking about real life shootings here is not, let's say, the best idea ever.

This website is open for ALL to see. IE, if we have a thread on killing people on a gun board started by a guy named "Waingro"(thanks Bill for pointing that out) and people jump in to discuss, the media would have a field day with this. You said nothing about a disabled wife, hard times, etc at first. When a new guy joins a gun board and ask "any one here kill anyone?" it raises a few eye brows, to put it mildly. That combined with what I saw in the "why 'military' gun" thread, I would venture to say that I did/do not exclude the possibility that you are/were soliciting comments with intentionally chosen controversial topics in a much-scrutinized forum in a very anti-gun state under the watchful eye of government agencies, press and individuals with certain agendas. You can connect the dots, I'm sure.

If this is a difficult time for you and your wife, while I do not aim to interfere with your freedom of speech, soliciting information on shooting on the internet may not be the most productive use of your time. Again, it is just a comment and in no way an attempt to interfere with your freedom of speech.

[supersonic]

[QUOTE=CalNRA;884543]i

This website is open for ALL to see. IE, if we have a thread on killing people on a gun board started by a guy named "Waingro"(thanks Bill for pointing that out)


HEY!!!!! I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO POINT THAT OUT!!!! I WILL NOT LET BILL TAKE CREDIT FOR MY MASTER ACHIEVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Waingro]

if you think 90% of posts on this thread is idiotic, I suggest you go back and read the thread. Many people, including myself, have offered explanation on why asking about real life shootings here is not, let's say, the best idea ever.

This website is open for ALL to see. IE, if we have a thread on killing people on a gun board started by a guy named "Waingro"(thanks Bill for pointing that out) and people jump in to discuss, the media would have a field day with this. You said nothing about a disabled wife, hard times, etc at first. When a new guy joins a gun board and ask "any one here kill anyone?" it raises a few eye brows, to put it mildly. That combined with what I saw in the "why 'military' gun" thread, I would venture to say that I did/do not exclude the possibility that you are/were soliciting comments with intentionally chosen controversial topics in a much-scrutinized forum in a very anti-gun state under the watchful eye of government agencies, press and individuals with certain agendas. You can connect the dots, I'm sure.

If this is a difficult time for you and your wife, while I do not aim to interfere with your freedom of speech, soliciting information on shooting on the internet may not be the most productive use of your time. Again, it is just a comment and in no way an attempt to interfere with your freedom of speech.

I look like the character from the film. And when did I ever mention killing people? I said self defense shooting. Not self defense killing.

Reminder: This thread was not titled "Have you ever killed anyone?" it was "Have you ever shot anyone?" I don't know where you guys are getting your reading comprehension skills from but I never implied death in any way, look though all the posts I made.

[M. Sage]

To the antis, shooting someone = killing someone.

I agree with the people above: training, training, training. Competition like IDPA or a tactical handgun shoot (Chabot here in the Bay Area has one) helps you get more comfortable with your gear in a "high-stress, low-impact" environment. PPC would probably be good "familiarization" for you.

IPSC, not so much.

Even an airsoft version of your chosen arm/arms can allow you to practice draw, present and shoot in your garage, for example.

You mentioned that police tend to remember only about 10% of their training. I'd say it's a bit more, but their training honestly kind of sucks, and there isn't enough of it.

Never shot anybody. Hope not to. But I'm very sure I could if it came down to it.

[adamsreeftank]

Wasn't that role played by Ed Norton? Personally, I don't see the resemblance.

FWIW, I think there was a study of officer involved shootings that determined that officers who practiced shooting at silhouette targets were more likely to fire their weapon at an assailant than officers who practiced shooting at bullseyes.