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  • ask80
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    • Jan 2006
    • 229

    man shot while defending self with pepper spray...

    poor guy.. if only he had a ccw and was armed, but it's LA...



    LOS ANGELES -- A 44-year-old man who appeared to have been trying to defend himself with pepper spray was fatally shot early Wednesday during a possible robbery attempt near the Wilshire Ebell Theatre in Los Angeles, authorities said.

    The shooting happened on South Lucerne Boulevard, between Wilshire Boulevard and West Eighth Street, said Lt. Victor Davalos of the Los Angeles Police Department's Wilshire Station.

    Police received reports at about 12:35 a.m. of a man lying in the middle of the street, Davalos said, and discovered the man dead from gunshot wounds.


    The victim's name was not immediately released.

    Police said Wednesday afternoon they believe robbery or a verbal dispute was the motive for the killing.

    They want to speak with two motorists who drove by after the gunfire and may have seen something. One was driving a Ford F-150 pickup truck and the other a Honda passenger car.

    Police have few leads, Davalos said, adding that the slaying did not appear to be gang- or narcotics-related.

    The victim may have been trying to defend himself because pepper spray was found near his body, Davalos said.

    Alex Delgadillo, a motorcyclist who saw the victim's body in the middle of the street and called police, told a camera crew that "we came around the corner and thought the victim was drunk."

    "We turned around and saw he didn't respond. It turned out he wasn't breathing or anything," Delgadillo said, adding that the man's "fists were clenched."

    Anyone with information was asked to call detectives John Shafia or Victor Arellano of the LAPD's Wilshire Division at 213-473-0446. On weekends or evenings, call 877-519-3855.
  • #2
    5968
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 3557

    This is sad. A lot of people put a false sense of security in pepper spray. I have heard it is not work on as much as 30% of the population. Even if it does work, many people can still fight after being sprayed. This appears to be one of those situations.
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    • #3
      savasyn
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2007
      • 3201

      Wow. That sucks. The gun grabbers should raise a toast to saving a criminal's life at the expense of another, potentially innocent, person's. As far as I can tell, that's part of their plan given their stand on victim disarmament zones.

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      • #4
        CSACANNONEER
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44093

        Pepper spray is great if you very lightly mist it over your pizza!
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        • #5
          E. Fudd
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          • Jun 2006
          • 632

          Don't bring pepper spray to a gunfight...

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          • #6
            metalhead357
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            • Jan 2006
            • 5546

            Originally posted by E. Fudd
            Don't bring pepper spray to a gunfight...

            Beat me to the punch.

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            • #7
              Patriot
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              • Jun 2006
              • 2982

              Pepper spray can be pretty debilitating (definitely an attention getter even with wrap-around sunglasses ), but it's uses for the average joe are pretty much limited IMO to one of two options:

              (a) Shoot and scoot
              (b) Intermediate force (between bare hands and lethal weapons)
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              • #8
                BillCA
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2005
                • 3821

                As mentioned above, it's use is limited to those situations where you may come to bodily harm, but don't rise to the threat of death or great bodily injury.

                Personally, I'm not betting my life on a can of spray seasoning.

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                • #9
                  JagerTroop
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 3922

                  Originally posted by BillCA
                  As mentioned above, it's use is limited to those situations where you may come to bodily harm, but don't rise to the threat of death or great bodily injury.

                  Personally, I'm not betting my life on a can of spray seasoning.
                  Ha Ha Ha... what's next? Defensive paprika spray?
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                  • #10
                    mecam
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                    • Jun 2007
                    • 4049

                    Taser!!! More effective than a gun (at 5yds or less) and legal to carry in CA.
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                    • #11
                      AJAX22
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                      • May 2006
                      • 14980

                      Originally posted by E. Fudd
                      Don't bring pepper spray to a gunfight...
                      Heck, Don't even bring peperspray to a ****slapping competition.

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                      • #12
                        Hoop
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 11540

                        Could've been an old can of pepper spray as well. If it isn't fresh it loses potency & in the worst case scenario doesn't squirt at all.

                        So if you do carry pepper spray make sure it's fresh.

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                        • #13
                          Jicko
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 8774

                          Originally posted by mecam
                          Taser!!! More effective than a gun (at 5yds or less) and legal to carry in CA.
                          U got only 1 SHOT!!!

                          @ 5yds or less, do you even have time to "draw"?

                          And I doubt its effectiveness as compare to a gun - 1 shot vs double-tap to body center mass.

                          Lastly, isn't the justification to use a taser the same as using "lethal force"?
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                          • #14
                            dadoody
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 14692

                            Originally posted by Hoop
                            Could've been an old can of pepper spray as well. If it isn't fresh it loses potency & in the worst case scenario doesn't squirt at all.

                            So if you do carry pepper spray make sure it's fresh.
                            I can create something fresher and more potent than pepper spray after a session @ Altero's Mexican
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                            • #15
                              saki302
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 7187

                              From what my LE buddy told me, if you can make the hit with a taser, the other guy is done (no one in their training session was able to stand or function after being hit with it- total loss of muscular control- this is with the M26 and X26 model).

                              That being said, if you miss, you're screwed. (now you have a stun gun- good luck!). Drawing time would be the same as with a firearm.

                              -Dave

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