30 rd. mag

[chim-chim7]

Please provide where you heard that, or it's FUD. So your telling me uncover agents from Los Angeles sit and wait for cars crossing the border, pull them over, do an illegal search, and do what? Let them go because standard capacity mags and not illegal in California. I drive back and fourth with my LEGAL standard capacity mags. Are you saying I am going to get in legal trouble for owning something legal?

Or do you mean, undercover Los Angeles agents hang at the local gun shops in Reno. Wait for a car with California plates to show up, then hopefully they purchase a standard capacity magazine. Follow that car all around Reno until they decide to drive back across the border to California, which could be days. Pull them over with the assumption of owning magazines that are not disassembled in rebuild form. Yea, that's totally believable.


It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged.

Those who own "large-capacity magazines" are not required to keep records or receipts, and not required to explain how they got them.

[Black Tiger]

You're totally RIGHT. Please tell your son's friend to resell that 30-round mag and explain to him that we're living in the state of Communist Americans Love Illegality (CALI)

A friend of my son bought a 30 rd mag for a AR15 at a gun show in Reno, I told my son that his friend is looking at Jail time if he gets caught, is this correct?

[colossians323]

Colossians., you should actually read the thread before you post. 30 round magazines are illegal to import into California. Magazine parts kits are perfectly legal to import, but this thread is about somebody who imported a 30 round magazine. How did you miss that?

semantics

[Mssr. Eleganté]

semantics

[colossians323]

You're mean!

[RazzB7]

It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged.

Those who own "large-capacity magazines" are not required to keep records or receipts, and not required to explain how they got them.

Except:

Note: it is not a part of the "large-capacity magazine" law, but part of the 'assault weapon' law that says a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds is an 'assault weapon'.

That means that
if your otherwise legal semiautomatic, centerfire rifle has a magazine lock, such as a 'bullet button',
and you use a "large-capacity magazine" in that weapon, (which, because of the magazine lock is effectively a fixed magazine rifle)
then you will have manufactured an 'assault weapon'.
That's a felony. Don't do that.

[gatesbox]

Or do you mean, undercover Los Angeles agents hang at the local gun shops in Reno. Wait for a car with California plates to show up, then hopefully they purchase a standard capacity magazine. Follow that car all around Reno until they decide to drive back across the border to California, which could be days. Pull them over with the assumption of owning magazines that are not disassembled in rebuild form. Yea, that's totally believable.
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Not Sure If Serious?

Either way here is your FUD buster.... DOJ agents staking out Reno gun shows...

http://www.knco.com/Local/2831504-Four-Department-Justice-Arrests-Nevada-County.html

[chim-chim7]

That article is filled with so much FUD, are you sure that's not from the Onion. Since when is paperwork needed to purchase ammo or magazines. They were followed and arrested for illegal purchase of a handgun. Not for buying magazines out of state. Like I said, they don't lie in wait for someone to purchase mags and travel across the border. Illegal purchase of a handgun at a gun show, that's different.

[gatesbox]

The point is CA law enforcement officers taking the time to travel to out of state gun shows to try and "catch" CA residents.... Something I believe your post insinuated was beyond belief......

Here is the old post Bweise posted about the incident...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=475826

[CSACANNONEER]

Please provide where you heard that, or it's FUD. So your telling me uncover agents from Los Angeles sit and wait for cars crossing the border, pull them over, do an illegal search, and do what? Let them go because standard capacity mags and not illegal in California. I drive back and fourth with my LEGAL standard capacity mags. Are you saying I am going to get in legal trouble for owning something legal?

Or do you mean, undercover Los Angeles agents hang at the local gun shops in Reno. Wait for a car with California plates to show up, then hopefully they purchase a standard capacity magazine. Follow that car all around Reno until they decide to drive back across the border to California, which could be days. Pull them over with the assumption of owning magazines that are not disassembled in rebuild form. Yea, that's totally believable.


It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged.

Those who own "large-capacity magazines" are not required to keep records or receipts, and not required to explain how they got them.

I personally know of three friends of mine who were followed back to Ca from the SAR show in AZ. As soon as they crossed the boarder, they were pulled over by SEVERAL plain and marked vehicles. It was a BIG DEAL even though one of them had a Ca large capacity magazine permit! Yes, it has happened. Ca DOJ does do this.

As others have stated, it can be against the law to improperly use +10 round magazines. You have enough posts here that you should already know such simple FACTS. I'm not sure why you don't????

[JagerDog]

Except:

Quote:
Originally Posted by chim-chim7 View Post
It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged.

Those who own "large-capacity magazines" are not required to keep records or receipts, and not required to explain how they got them.
Except:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Librarian's magazine sticky
Note: it is not a part of the "large-capacity magazine" law, but part of the 'assault weapon' law that says a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds is an 'assault weapon'.

That means that
if your otherwise legal semiautomatic, centerfire rifle has a magazine lock, such as a 'bullet button',
and you use a "large-capacity magazine" in that weapon, (which, because of the magazine lock is effectively a fixed magazine rifle)
then you will have manufactured an 'assault weapon'.
That's a felony. Don't do that.

^^^^this. Beware your facts before you start "authorizing" felonies Chim.

Also, many current mags weren't available pre-ban. Pretty hard sell to say you owned it pre-ban when the mfg didn't even exist pre-ban.

Thought: On plastic molded parts it isn't uncommon to have a date code. I can't say as I've seen this feature on mags, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I suppose one could say they rebuilt the "original" mag using a date coded (or non pre-ban existing mfg) part.

If one got cited for a high/normal cap magazine (possession), you can bet you'll be explaining how you came to be in possession at some point in the process. If you are cited for use in a CA "assault weapon", how/where you obtained it is moot for that (felony) charge. This of course assumes you aren't LEO or otherwise exempted.

[Stormfeather]

As an added addendum, whats the standing on handguns that have newer manufacturer date. IE: was developed after the Cali Mag ban, like XD's or whatever, that have HiCaps, and theres no way a person could have owned hi-cap parts to one of these guns before the ban? Im pretty sure I know the answer to this, but Ive had one person reaming me up and down that since they are using the bodies as replacement parts, then its ok to build hi-caps out of it. Somehow, I think I read somewhere that hes full of bull caca. . . but someone correct me if Im wrong.

[chim-chim7]

Please provide proof.

[CSACANNONEER]

As an added addendum, whats the standing on handguns that have newer manufacturer date. IE: was developed after the Cali Mag ban, like XD's or whatever, that have HiCaps, and theres no way a person could have owned hi-cap parts to one of these guns before the ban? Im pretty sure I know the answer to this, but Ive had one person reaming me up and down that since they are using the bodies as replacement parts, then its ok to build hi-caps out of it. Somehow, I think I read somewhere that hes full of bull caca. . . but someone correct me if Im wrong.

If one can use new mag bodies that work in a new gun AND the gun that the old magazine was originally designed for, it would arguable be legit. That said, Possession or legal use of any magazine is not restricted (other than violating AW laws with fixed mag builds). The only thing that is is the importation, manufacturing, offering for sale, etc. While I prefer to stay clear of the whole staute of limitations thing, it could easily come into play with a XD mag.

[chim-chim7]

Not authorizing felonies. Just saying you can't be arrested for being in posession of standard capacity mags in California. Get YOUR facts straight.