30 rd. mag

[RazzB7]

Please provide proof.

Proof of what? My statement about the 10 rd fixed magazine? It clearly states it came from Librarian's sticky.

Do a search for member "Librarian" (advanced search, you have to do some work). It's in his signature line.

If it comes down to going with your advice, or Librarians advice...I'm going with Librarian.

[RazzB7]

Not authorizing felonies.

Yes you are:

It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged..

[chim-chim7]

Really, I pulled that straight from Calguns sticky. Pound sand.

[tonelar]

As an added addendum, whats the standing on handguns that have newer manufacturer date. IE: was developed after the Cali Mag ban, like XD's or whatever, that have HiCaps, and theres no way a person could have owned hi-cap parts to one of these guns before the ban? Im pretty sure I know the answer to this, but Ive had one person reaming me up and down that since they are using the bodies as replacement parts, then its ok to build hi-caps out of it. Somehow, I think I read somewhere that hes full of bull caca. . . but someone correct me if Im wrong.

Building a parts kit into a magazine is the same as manufacturing. The only way he can be using the mag bodies is if he is repairing or refurbishing a pre-ban magazine of more yhan 10 capacity.

[CSACANNONEER]

Really, I pulled that straight from Calguns sticky. Pound sand.

No way in hell that your information is word for word in a sticky. If so, please provide a link to it so that it can be corrected by someone who can. The fact is that your interpetation of the laws are incorrect.

[tonelar]

Really, I pulled that straight from Calguns sticky. Pound sand.

You forgot to copy and paste this part, Chim;

* Note: it is not a part of the "large-capacity magazine" law, but part of the 'assault weapon' law that says a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds is an 'assault weapon'.

Give someone the right advice or don't post at all. By only posting a part of the magazine wiki and leaving out the foot note; you've just advised someone to go full retard.

[RazzB7]

Really, I pulled that straight from Calguns sticky. Pound sand.

You pulled PART of the sticky. You kept the part that told you what you wanted to hear and you left out the part that you didn't want to hear. And, you're giving advice that could land someone in jail. Parts you quoted in red.

Legal Considerations
California restricts certain things about magazines greater than 10 rounds; it has created a silly legal name for them - "large-capacity magazines" - and says we 'regular people' cannot import, sell or manufacture them. ("Dealer" FFLs may get licenses from DOJ for these activities; curio and relic licensees cannot.) The restriction applies to both centerfire and rimfire weapons.
It is perfectly legal - no restrictions at all in the Penal Code - to own and possess and use those "large-capacity magazines" in any gun*, at any time, under any circumstances where it is legal to use a gun. Ownership, possession and use of "large-capacity magazines" are not crimes in PC; there is no section under which you could be charged.
Those who own "large-capacity magazines" are not required to keep records or receipts, and not required to explain how they got them.
The age of the magazine and the age of the gun mean nothing. The critical item is possession of the magazine(s) in California before January 1, 2000.
Yes, you can go out of state and buy magazines of any capacity - but you may not bring "large-capacity magazines" back to CA as complete magazines - that would be importing and that can be charged as a felony.
Yes, you can buy part kits to repair your existing magazines - but you cannot assemble them into complete "large-capacity magazines" inside CA - that would be manufacturing and that can be charged as a felony.
Yes, you can take one of those kits and create a 10-round magazine from the parts and some method of blocking the capacity; one example here.
You can have "large-capacity magazines"; no one may give them or sell them to you in California, and you may not give or sell them to anyone else in California. This includes sales from LEO and intrafamilial transfers - that would be included in selling and that can be charged as a felony.

There is no such thing as a "pre-ban" or "post-ban" "large-capacity magazine", and it doesn't matter. Markings on magazines have no legal meaning.
If you think your legal question has not been answered, follow the links at the top of this post and read the articles, then re-read items (2) and (3) above several times. Other questions are addressed below.


* Note: it is not a part of the "large-capacity magazine" law, but part of the 'assault weapon' law that says a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than 10 rounds is an 'assault weapon'.

That means that
if your otherwise legal semiautomatic, centerfire rifle has a magazine lock, such as a 'bullet button',
and you use a "large-capacity magazine" in that weapon, (which, because of the magazine lock is effectively a fixed magazine rifle)
then you will have manufactured an 'assault weapon'.
That's a felony. Don't do that.

NOTE: A Registered Assault Weapon (RAW) is already an 'assault weapon', and not included in this problem. If you have a RAW, use any magazine you legally own.

Sept 8, 2011 ETA
Political and Meta-legal items
No, there is no 'expiration date' or 'sunset' on the magazine law.
No, there is no possibility the law will be repealed with the Legislature we have in 2011.
No, there is no current lawsuit in place or planned on the topic - mostly because gun rights litigators in CA have higher priorities.
Yes, something is being done - but you must exercise a rare quality - patience! Look for a new thread in the 2nd Amendment Forum from member hoffmang - Gene Hoffman.
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[chim-chim7]

Look in handgun sticky.

[RazzB7]

Handgun sticky has the exact same wording.

[tonelar]

Look in handgun sticky.

Anyone else find it appropriate that it's avatar is a little dog. Sit on the porch when the big dogs are out.

[chim-chim7]

You can interpit the law anyway you like. I only posted what I know to be true of California law. Calguns wrote that, no me. If you feel I left out info, then I apologise.

[RazzB7]

Poster above is right. Grow up, kid.

[CSACANNONEER]

You can interpit the law anyway you like. I only posted what I know to be true of California law. Calguns wrote that, no me. If you feel I left out info, then I apologise.

Sorry, you obviously DO NOT KNOW SQUAT. Please, read the actual text of all pertanent laws and UNDERSTAND them before giving out advise again. If anyone follows your BAD advise, it'll make them a FELON.

[JagerDog]

You can interpit the law anyway you like. I only posted what I know to be true of California law. Calguns wrote that, no me. If you feel I left out info, then I apologise.

It's not a matter of interpreting. It's a matter of completeness. The "assault weapon" law dovetails into the magazine law (or vice versa). You get popped in CA with a >10 rd mag in a gun requiring a bullet button, expect a felony. There's no interpretation or explanation of how you acquired said magazine required.

[chim-chim7]

I know enough that if I get stopped with high capacitys on my person there is nothing they can do about it. I did not say anywhere it was ok to transport assembled mags purchased out of state.