This is downright scary!

[Diabolus]

This isn't some mall ninja tacticool magpul course open to civilians. If this is how the best of our boys train, good for them.

You sure about that?

That guy running the stage at 3:55 was just awful, terrible reload. I'm not so sure all those people are operators.

[Merc1138]

This isn't some mall ninja tacticool magpul course open to civilians. If this is how the best of our boys train, good for them.

Umm, it IS some mallninja tacticool course open to civilians.

[G60]

Nobody who has a clue trains like that.

[morfeeis]

two things
1: i dont know anyone i trust enough to fire live rounds that close to me
2: someone is going to get shot at one of their courses.

[KracknCorn]

I think the point is to simulate real life training. If you can't be safe in a training environment with real bullets... then you can't trust yourself in a real life scenario. This is why SAS trains with real bullets and not blanks. The point in training is to experience events that might possibly happen and to the people that say, why not just shoot from a distance, they don't realize how fast a person can get up to you in one second. That being said... the moves they are deploying seem like movie fantasy.

[hcbr]

lol i knew that image was from something else, it looked familiar, but yeah that's some pretty unsafe and scary training

[PandaLuv]

Love the top rated comment. These guys are retarded.

[Stormfeather]

I was in Marine Recon for 8 1/2 years. We NEVER fired live ammo in the direction of personnel. If people want to do that, more power to them. The hand to hand moves in this video were not the same ones we were trained to use. The techniques in this video have more moves and were designed to grapple with and eventually overcome the opponent. We used techniques with less moves that were designed to instantly incapacite or kill the opponent. The training in this video is more of what a security contractor would receive. To become proficient in these types techniques, requires hundreds of repetitions, before you would ever want to try them in a live situation.

I can tell you this, at some levels in SOCOM, there is training conducted with live fire. Its been done this way for years, and will still be conducted this way for many years in the future. Having spent my time around Recon, Force, and Anglico, Ive seen it done. Ive also seen it done in the Private Security Industry with quite a few of the Tier One assets, (its big boy rules, if you are a whiner, stay home) and if you havent been shot at, then its probably not for you in any way shape or form. You also mentioned about fighting styles, When I came in, it was all about LINE fighting then it transitioned to TRAP fighting, and no idea what its all about now with the cutesy belts that they let the Jarheads wear. But the point remains, its a continuously evolving thing, which it needs to be if Marines are going to survive.
The point Im trying to make is this, it has happened, Ive seen it when I got to cross train with the SAS & Red Cell guys (Cmdr Marcinkos Era) before they was all front page like now. As a matter of fact, at the very first Area 52 Shoot, I trained some of the guys up in the style of it, and let them do a live shoot with me sitting in a chair with targets right beside me on both sides. Nobody died, nobody got hurt, and it raised their confidence levels by multiple levels. I even filmed it for posterity! BUT, there was hours and hours of dry runs before I let them do it with a live person downrange as well. So, to all the armchair quarterbacks,nra instructors, hunter safety instructors, who cringe at this training and also who think they know everything about tactics/shooting/SF/Seal Team 6/ODA Alpha 6791/Recon/Parajumpers. . . guess what? Training like this DOES happen, and DOESNT get disseminated to the public for a reason, its called operational security. It doesnt help to have the bad guys know how we train.

[pietropau9]

I was in Marine Recon for 8 1/2 years. We NEVER fired live ammo in the direction of personnel. If people want to do that, more power to them. The hand to hand moves in this video were not the same ones we were trained to use. The techniques in this video have more moves and were designed to grapple with and eventually overcome the opponent. We used techniques with less moves that were designed to instantly incapacite or kill the opponent. The training in this video is more of what a security contractor would receive. To become proficient in these types techniques, requires hundreds of repetitions, before you would ever want to try them in a live situation.

Trained FORCE Recon........lol. Semper Fi.

[SPROCKET]

The man dancing is strong with this one.

[RandyD]

I sent a message on Facebook to a Marine who continued to serve in Recon after I left and he confirmed that some shooting did occur with live ammo and personnel nearby.

[Maddog5150]

The problem today is that any former military asshat with some minor tacticool methods are making thier own schools and videos and hiding behind "its for operators" for any unsafe action.
Obviously this guys training sucks at fundamentals. Just look at the mag changes like ejecting the mag then grabbing a new one
These days, I think there are more people trainging SF, Rangers, and Seals than there are SF, Rangers and SEALs

[Merc1138]

The problem today is that any former military asshat with some minor tacticool methods are making thier own schools and videos and hiding behind "its for operators" for any unsafe action.
Obviously this guys training sucks at fundamentals. Just look at the mag changes like ejecting the mag then grabbing a new one
These days, I think there are more people trainging SF, Rangers, and Seals than there are SF, Rangers and SEALs

That's exactly why I mentioned Gecko45. It seems like anyone with some land and some sort of basic training somewhere can come up with some techniques and start training people.

That in and of itself isn't a bad thing, as long as it's handled properly(and mr photoshop his own face onto a videogame cover isn't handling it worth a crap). If anything it shows the popularity of guns and people wanting training(looking for it in possibly the wrong places) is on the rise, and that is kind of a good thing.

[CBlacksheep]

I saw that video, and the following seems to be an accurate description of most of the people who vie to get training like that. Regardless of the credentials these guys have, their video is hilarious.

[Stormfeather]

The problem today is that any former military asshat with some minor tacticool methods are making thier own schools and videos and hiding behind "its for operators" for any unsafe action.
Obviously this guys training sucks at fundamentals. Just look at the mag changes like ejecting the mag then grabbing a new one
These days, I think there are more people training SF, Rangers, and Seals than there are SF, Rangers and SEALs

I totally agree here as well when it comes to the training issue. The same applies to guys who have a little bit of combat time thinking they can open their own PSC and do missions overseas.

As per mentioned regarding the mag changes, around the 3:50 mark, they show a student fumbling a mag change, but it plainly states its a student. At the 4:03 mark, it shows the instructor making a flawless mag change I think in comparison. After watching it, you have to admit its a pretty smooth mag change.