This is downright scary!

[bubbagump]

"Inside Delta Force" and I think another book by Richard Marcinko describe sitting people inside a kill house playing the role of hostages during a live fire shoot.

Whether that is horsesh*t or not, I do not know.

[aermotor]

Are ffffing kidding me at 4:40.... yes, completely unsafe through numerous exercises, but standing down range within a few feet of the target for a "trust fall" exercise.... The title of your thread is defintely appropriate.

Seriously! What the christ are you thinking? Don't care they had vests, he's doing just as many headshots. Stupid.

[astroboy]

The "Trust Your Teammate" should be called
"Trust Your God" instead. That you should have
enough faith and trust on your God not to get shot!

[Dion]

Why does everyone wear camo to go to the range, BLM or to 'train'?

I don't get it.

I wear a karate gi when I go to the car wash.

If civilians are taking this class, that is just scary. Trying to do a twist-a-rooney arm lock shoot thingy on somebody will get you killed fast. For a civilian, chances you you ever getting into that predicament is slim to none.

Let's review the video of the Oakland shooting that happened a few weeks ago and a baby is now brain dead because he was shot. That's real life, scary gun stuff... not "Hi-yah! Karate Chop!" on a metro sexual dude with a duck tail and sunglasses.

[RandyD]

I was in Marine Recon for 8 1/2 years. We NEVER fired live ammo in the direction of personnel. If people want to do that, more power to them. The hand to hand moves in this video were not the same ones we were trained to use. The techniques in this video have more moves and were designed to grapple with and eventually overcome the opponent. We used techniques with less moves that were designed to instantly incapacite or kill the opponent. The training in this video is more of what a security contractor would receive. To become proficient in these types techniques, requires hundreds of repetitions, before you would ever want to try them in a live situation.

[Mesa Tactical]

Edit: I've been told this is SOP for "operators" particularly Delta and Rangers. Can anyone comment on that?

I would be a little shocked if Our Boys were doing this, but around the time of the 1988 Seoul Olympics I recall seeing something on the teevee showing Korean security forces and how they trained. In one exercise, operators would storm a darkened room and fire on a target against the opposite wall that was flanked by two of their buddies. I thought those guys were pretty hard core.

Note in the video in many cases where you don't see people firing towards others, the camera operator is nonetheless downrange of live fire.

[Diabolus]

I'm not condoning the video at all, but for everyone saying to shoot the guy when the gun is jammed into the neck should pay attention. The scenario is that they shot dry and are in hand to hand combat, they are using the gun and flashlight as an impact weapon.

[BunnySlayer]

I understand it is SOP for commanding officers of elite units, such as SEAL six and others to use themselves as hostages in live fire excersizes to express confidence in their men. I've never seen or heard of this though. Completely unsafe and bordering on the idiotic. Should be done with training weapons unless your a SEAL or hostage rescue or some such elite unit.

[NorCalRedneck]

kinda seams like a normal weekend of shooting out at spenceville to me

[Press Check]

Must be nice to have an assailant move with your fluid movements, or impose themself on you without any force.

He might as well be training with crash dummies.

[Merc1138]

Must be nice to have an assailant move with your fluid movements, or impose themself on you without any force.

He might as well be training with crash dummies.

I dunno, even these guys promoted safety:

[Mr.1904]

No, people actually do this stuff.


And definitely not in the states.

[Press Check]

Watched it again, and I'm sorry, but how can you teach anyone to defend themselves if the attacks aren't semi-realistic? These attacks are nothing more than assistants slowly reaching at the instructor, and immediately surrendering to a counter-attack as soon as the instructor reacts.

Ridiculous.

[Peter W Bush]

This isn't some mall ninja tacticool magpul course open to civilians. If this is how the best of our boys train, good for them.

[Dion]

Hi guys. I just got back from class and this is how it went: