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  • #76
    Josh3239
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2006
    • 9197

    Hollow points would be nearly useless for the military anyway so who cares? Just because the media is afraid of them doesn't make them any more evil. Why would the military be interested in a round that lacks armor penetration, can fail to reliably expand, and can be finicky keeping the rifle fed. A FMJ will always strip from the magazine into the chamber more reliably, a FMJ will always rip through body armor, vehicle armor, and enemy cover more effectively, and a FMJ will always hit the target the same way.

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    • #77
      Army
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 3915

      Josh, not necessarily. We have reliable weapons chambered for FMJ, because that is the parameter we must adhere to.

      Had the Hague never happened, weapons systems would be designed to reliabley chamber and fire hollowpoints (or whatever bizarre round developed) in combat arms. I believe history shackles us to the current feed and fire system.
      "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself...A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."......Cicero

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      • #78
        jdberger
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2005
        • 8944

        Originally posted by Army
        No.
        Yes.
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        • #79
          rero360
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 3926

          Originally posted by jdberger
          See my post above, Its not really a lopsided void, and additionally the USSR was never part of NATO.

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          • #80
            NYY
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 1877

            how is this still going on?!?!?

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            • #81
              NYY
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 1877

              Originally posted by Josh3239
              Hollow points would be nearly useless for the military anyway so who cares? Just because the media is afraid of them doesn't make them any more evil. Why would the military be interested in a round that lacks armor penetration, can fail to reliably expand, and can be finicky keeping the rifle fed. A FMJ will always strip from the magazine into the chamber more reliably, a FMJ will always rip through body armor, vehicle armor, and enemy cover more effectively, and a FMJ will always hit the target the same way.
              im not saying- "WHY ARENT WE USING HOLLOWPOINTS INSTEAD?!?!?!" i WAS wondering why they are banned....

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              • #82
                Army
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 3915

                Originally posted by jdberger
                Again...NO.

                A ''lopsided'' bullet would fly like a poorly thrown football. Not straight, not fast, and most certainly not accurately.

                You showed a 5.45mm Soviet round. Not NATO, not 5.56mm, nor 7.62mm, nor 12.7mm, and absolutely not lopsided.

                The majority of the bullet weight is in the REAR, but that does not make it lop-SIDED. Big differences.

                You may be thinking of twist rate and stabilization. NATO weapons impart just enough twist for accurate shooting, but leave the bullet spinning slow enough for immediate destabilization, and tremendous upset at impact.
                "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself...A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."......Cicero

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