How do you transport?

[IrishPirate]

i thought that if long guns were in cases they had to be locked since they aren't in plain sight??

[Sub95]

So a locked case for the handguns and ammo in the bed of the truck is good to go.

way above what you have to do, but yes.

you can keep hand gun locked in a case in the cab anywhere you like as long as its not loaded.

[rspar]

Ammo in the bed just for convenience guns in the back seat so they're out of sight and I can make a stop without worrying about them being seen.

[Librarian]

i thought that if long guns were in cases they had to be locked since they aren't in plain sight??

No - by definition, long guns are not 'concealable', so PC 12025 / 25400 does not apply to them. The only long guns that must be locked up for transport are Registered Assault Weapons.

The old definition in 12001 was

12001. (a)(1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol," "revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

but I can't find where they've put the "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" definition in the newly numbered code.

[IrishPirate]

No - by definition, long guns are not 'concealable', so PC 12025 / 25400 does not apply to them. The only long guns that must be locked up for transport are Registered Assault Weapons.

The old definition in 12001 was but I can't find where they've put the "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" definition in the newly numbered code.

ahhhh....copy. Thanks for the clarification. I usually have mine locked anyways if they go in a case. Plenty of locks, might as well use them!!

[rspar]

RAW=Registered Assault Weapon
GFSZ= Gun Free School Zone

So would a Saiga 7.62 fall under this?

[Librarian]

So would a Saiga 7.62 fall under this?

Yes.

Federal GFSZ requires rifles to be locked in a case or a gun rack. California cares only about handguns, feds care about both.

[IrishPirate]

So would a Saiga 7.62 fall under this?

RAW means you sent in a registration form for your "assault weapon" before the deadline back in 2000. If you didn't do that, you don't have a RAW.

GFSZ is 1000 feet from any school that teaches any grades from pre-school to 12th. Junior colleges, CSU's, and UC's don't count, but private schools do. These places aren't always marked so be careful. The law does say that you are only guilty if you knew it was a school zone or could have reasonably assumed, but defending that will cost you alot of money. Best bet is to always lock stuff up, but if you don't have a lock or you are 100% sure you're not going through any GFSZ's then it's not illegal to have an unloaded long gun unlocked in your vehicle. The trunk of your car counts as a locked container too.

[rspar]

I live 2 blocks from a school so it could be less than 1000 ft. when I leave home. I'll drive the other way from now on although I'm not real concerned about that. That law seems to be made to enforced like a weapon. Whenever they feel like piling on.

[IrishPirate]

good idea. If you can show you're trying to avoid the school as much as possible it would help your case if you somehow got pulled over. Don't forget that you could get pulled over on the way home and that might be harder to explain. Like i said before. best bet is to grab a case ($10-$20 at wal-mart) and get a lock. then you're good for sure.

[Bud11]

I go overboard, but that's just me. Trigger lock on revolver. Revolver in locked hard case. Hard case in range bag, with a lock on it. Ammo in range bag too. Range bag in way back of my SUV. Bud

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Per state law I lock my unloaded RAW and handguns in dedicated boxes/cases (since the trunk is accessible from the passenger cabin in both vehicles), and the rest of the long guns are just in soft cases in the back.

this^

[RUSSIAN]

and run into a federal cop.

So, "technically" local pd cant charge me if I don't lock my long gun? I live basically across the street from a school and 3 min from my local range.

[rspar]

In reality they can do whatever they want.

[Librarian]

So, "technically" local pd cant charge me if I don't lock my long gun? I live basically across the street from a school and 3 min from my local range.

No, but they can hold you and summon a Federal Marshal (or somebody - I don't know who actually would have authority there). I doubt they would do that, and if they did, I'd kind of expect the Feds would laugh it off, absent some political advantage associated with a high-profile case.