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  • #46
    orangeusa
    • Jul 2009
    • 9055

    The idea of shooting to wound is very common in folks new to guns. Movies have promoted this fallacy.

    I think you handled it more tactfully than I would have..

    BTW - I dig Berettas and Pontiacs...

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    • #47
      1911su16b870
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Dec 2006
      • 7654

      We judiciously apply gunfire to stop felonious assault/behavior. We shoot to stop. Large holes in vital organs stop with the unfortunate side effect of killing.
      "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

      NRA Endowment Life Member, CRPA Life Member
      GLOCK (Gen 1-5, G42/43), Colt AR15/M16/M4, Sig P320, Sig P365, Beretta 90 series, Remington 870, HK UMP Factory Armorer
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      I instruct it if you shoot it.

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      • #48
        Spetsnazos
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 1470

        lol what is this about a .380 being a lesser round than 9m? no bro no.
        -Remington 700 .308, AICS Black, Bushnell 6-24 50 Scope

        -Makarov PM .380 ACP

        -Ruger 10/22, Tapco T6 Stock, Leupold 3-9 40

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        • #49
          orangeusa
          • Jul 2009
          • 9055

          Originally posted by Spetsnazos
          lol what is this about a .380 being a lesser round than 9m? no bro no.
          That wasn't the point. Point being that the OP's buddy thought it made a difference - enough that .380 wouldn't kill, 9mm would. OP's point was that .380 is more expensive than 9mm, which it is.

          Good gosh, I'd not want to get shot with a .177!! Or even a paintball for that matter.

          .

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          • #50
            Spetsnazos
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 1470

            Originally posted by orangeusa
            That wasn't the point. Point being that the OP's buddy thought it made a difference - enough that .380 wouldn't kill, 9mm would. OP's point was that .380 is more expensive than 9mm, which it is.

            Good gosh, I'd not want to get shot with a .177!! Or even a paintball for that matter.

            .
            Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.

            Hell I don't want to get shot with a .22 either but was just defending my .380

            I agree with you that its more expensive, but for self defense I don't think you should care especially if you don't plan on taking it out to the range to improve your skills.
            -Remington 700 .308, AICS Black, Bushnell 6-24 50 Scope

            -Makarov PM .380 ACP

            -Ruger 10/22, Tapco T6 Stock, Leupold 3-9 40

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            • #51
              Spetsnazos
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 1470

              At gunshows I get .380 for about $11/50 for stuff like PMC or UMC(Miwall)

              9mm sells for that much at wallmart
              -Remington 700 .308, AICS Black, Bushnell 6-24 50 Scope

              -Makarov PM .380 ACP

              -Ruger 10/22, Tapco T6 Stock, Leupold 3-9 40

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              • #52
                Cokebottle
                Señor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                Originally posted by Spetsnazos
                Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.

                Hell I don't want to get shot with a .22 either but was just defending my .380
                88-95gr at 955-1050fps = 193-220ft/lbs
                115-147gr at 990-1350fps = 320-472ft/lbs

                If I had to be hit by one, I'd pick the .380
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #53
                  robcoe
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 8685

                  Originally posted by rojocorsa
                  That post is about 2 years old, maybe I should have mentioned that?


                  It could be that much has changed since...
                  I think taser now offers packages with spare shots. Also when I asked about one at a gun store they specificly told me about the activation being required.

                  As for the guys worries about not being able to test it because the electricity would be on, no worries there. Take it from an electrical engineer, there is no risk of being shocked or blowing the fuses in your house because you shot a taser into a piece of wood or cardboard.
                  Yes, I am an electrical engineer.
                  No, I will not fix your computer.

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                  • #54
                    hunteran
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 575

                    Originally posted by Spetsnazos
                    Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.
                    Really? That's not what the experts say at all. Any person who considers .380 to be a better self defense cartridge than 9mm parabellum based on performance is an idiot.

                    Here's what an expert has to say about .380, he doesn't think very highly of it at all. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19914

                    Would I want to take a hit from one? No, but when push comes to shove, I'd rather have a handgun chambered in a caliber that has adequate penetration and works reliably with JHP ammunition. There's a very good reason why you don't see the military or police departments issuing weapons chambered in .380 (outside of very special circumstances). Its underpowered, has poor penetration, ammunition is generally more expensive/hard to find, and it doesn't work well with JHP ammo (if the cartridge doesn't have enough "oomph" to reliably expand hollowpoints, do you really think its a wise choice for self defense?).
                    Last edited by hunteran; 05-14-2011, 6:33 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Cokebottle
                      Señor Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32373

                      Originally posted by hunteran
                      There's a very good reason why you don't see the military or police departments issuing weapons chambered in .380 (outside of very special circumstances).
                      Yup... .380 is a "boot gun" and 9mm is an issue duty weapon for a reason.
                      - Rich

                      Originally posted by dantodd
                      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                      • #56
                        orangeusa
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 9055

                        If using a gun for a SD situation, no matter what calibre, you will kill or wound the attacker. ( Only assumption is that if one shot does not stop, keep shooting for effect ... )

                        If using a taser, you won't kill the attacker, but you aren't guaranteed it will stop them or that it won't fail.....

                        Owning a gun for self defense is something you need to wrap your mind around and think about for a long while. The answer is that it is highly effective and lethal. And there are few alternatives for a self defense situation.

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                        • #57
                          Spetsnazos
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 1470

                          Originally posted by Cokebottle
                          88-95gr at 955-1050fps = 193-220ft/lbs
                          115-147gr at 990-1350fps = 320-472ft/lbs

                          If I had to be hit by one, I'd pick the .380
                          force the only thing that matters?
                          -Remington 700 .308, AICS Black, Bushnell 6-24 50 Scope

                          -Makarov PM .380 ACP

                          -Ruger 10/22, Tapco T6 Stock, Leupold 3-9 40

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                          • #58
                            hunteran
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 575

                            Originally posted by Spetsnazos
                            force the only thing that matters?
                            Those are actually measures of energy. Not the same thing as force...

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                            • #59
                              pontiacpratt
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1663

                              Please please please do not turn my thread into a Caliber competition. That is why I put lesser in quotes. I was just interested in whether or not an answer of "Don't buy a gun then" was to harsh. I do not want to be one of those Asses behind the counter we all talk about. Based on the responses I did not act to poorly.
                              @Orangeusa... I too like Berrettas and Pontiacs How'd you guess?
                              A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
                              -Marko Kloos

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                              • #60
                                Spetsnazos
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 1470

                                Originally posted by hunteran
                                Those are actually measures of energy. Not the same thing as force...
                                Thanks I realize that.
                                -Remington 700 .308, AICS Black, Bushnell 6-24 50 Scope

                                -Makarov PM .380 ACP

                                -Ruger 10/22, Tapco T6 Stock, Leupold 3-9 40

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