Did I react Poorly?

[orangeusa]

The idea of shooting to wound is very common in folks new to guns. Movies have promoted this fallacy.

I think you handled it more tactfully than I would have..

BTW - I dig Berettas and Pontiacs...

[1911su16b870]

We judiciously apply gunfire to stop felonious assault/behavior. We shoot to stop. Large holes in vital organs stop with the unfortunate side effect of killing.

[Spetsnazos]

lol what is this about a .380 being a lesser round than 9m? no bro no.

[orangeusa]

lol what is this about a .380 being a lesser round than 9m? no bro no.

That wasn't the point. Point being that the OP's buddy thought it made a difference - enough that .380 wouldn't kill, 9mm would. OP's point was that .380 is more expensive than 9mm, which it is.

Good gosh, I'd not want to get shot with a .177!! Or even a paintball for that matter.

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[Spetsnazos]

That wasn't the point. Point being that the OP's buddy thought it made a difference - enough that .380 wouldn't kill, 9mm would. OP's point was that .380 is more expensive than 9mm, which it is.

Good gosh, I'd not want to get shot with a .177!! Or even a paintball for that matter.

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Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.

Hell I don't want to get shot with a .22 either but was just defending my .380

I agree with you that its more expensive, but for self defense I don't think you should care especially if you don't plan on taking it out to the range to improve your skills.

[Spetsnazos]

At gunshows I get .380 for about $11/50 for stuff like PMC or UMC(Miwall)

9mm sells for that much at wallmart

[Cokebottle]

Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.

Hell I don't want to get shot with a .22 either but was just defending my .380

88-95gr at 955-1050fps = 193-220ft/lbs
115-147gr at 990-1350fps = 320-472ft/lbs

If I had to be hit by one, I'd pick the .380

[robcoe]

That post is about 2 years old, maybe I should have mentioned that?


It could be that much has changed since...

I think taser now offers packages with spare shots. Also when I asked about one at a gun store they specificly told me about the activation being required.

As for the guys worries about not being able to test it because the electricity would be on, no worries there. Take it from an electrical engineer, there is no risk of being shocked or blowing the fuses in your house because you shot a taser into a piece of wood or cardboard.

[hunteran]

Its still not true that a .380 is a lesser round than a 9mm. Some people even consider it to be a better self defense round than the typical 9mm luger.

Really? That's not what the experts say at all. Any person who considers .380 to be a better self defense cartridge than 9mm parabellum based on performance is an idiot.

Here's what an expert has to say about .380, he doesn't think very highly of it at all. http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19914

Would I want to take a hit from one? No, but when push comes to shove, I'd rather have a handgun chambered in a caliber that has adequate penetration and works reliably with JHP ammunition. There's a very good reason why you don't see the military or police departments issuing weapons chambered in .380 (outside of very special circumstances). Its underpowered, has poor penetration, ammunition is generally more expensive/hard to find, and it doesn't work well with JHP ammo (if the cartridge doesn't have enough "oomph" to reliably expand hollowpoints, do you really think its a wise choice for self defense?).

[Cokebottle]

There's a very good reason why you don't see the military or police departments issuing weapons chambered in .380 (outside of very special circumstances).

Yup... .380 is a "boot gun" and 9mm is an issue duty weapon for a reason.

[orangeusa]

If using a gun for a SD situation, no matter what calibre, you will kill or wound the attacker. ( Only assumption is that if one shot does not stop, keep shooting for effect ... )

If using a taser, you won't kill the attacker, but you aren't guaranteed it will stop them or that it won't fail.....

Owning a gun for self defense is something you need to wrap your mind around and think about for a long while. The answer is that it is highly effective and lethal. And there are few alternatives for a self defense situation.

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[Spetsnazos]

88-95gr at 955-1050fps = 193-220ft/lbs
115-147gr at 990-1350fps = 320-472ft/lbs

If I had to be hit by one, I'd pick the .380

force the only thing that matters?

[hunteran]

force the only thing that matters?

Those are actually measures of energy. Not the same thing as force...

[pontiacpratt]

Please please please do not turn my thread into a Caliber competition. That is why I put lesser in quotes. I was just interested in whether or not an answer of "Don't buy a gun then" was to harsh. I do not want to be one of those Asses behind the counter we all talk about. Based on the responses I did not act to poorly.
@Orangeusa... I too like Berrettas and Pontiacs How'd you guess?

[Spetsnazos]

Those are actually measures of energy. Not the same thing as force...

Thanks I realize that.