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  • #16
    bruceflinch
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 40127

    Nice Job OP!
    Actually I only started collecting Milsurps 3 years ago. I think I might own about 24...They're cheaper than guns that will most likely never get the opportunity to kill somebody...

    I belong to the group that uses firearms, and knows which bathroom to use.

    Tis better to have Trolled & lost, Than to never have Trolled, at all.

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    • #17
      Mickey D
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 3502

      I have to agree with the mentality stated. Self defense of self and family needs to be willing to do what it takes to stop the attack. If death occurs, that's just one part of the equation you need to deal with.

      I would still encourage him to get into handgun shooting as a recreational pastime. As he continues to educate himself on the activity and owning a firearm, he may change his mind on his ability to use deadly force if needed.
      ***Honesty is the Foundation of One's Character***

      *** In comparing the virtues of various calibers, using hollow point ammo: it is absolutely undeniable that, while a 9 mm or .40 S&W may or may not expand, a .45 will never shrink. ***

      ***Mature Up***

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      • #18
        pennys dad
        Arizona Ex-Pat
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Feb 2008
        • 5984

        This was going to be the persons first purchase, I would say you over reacted and may have turned off someone to being a shooter. I think you should apologize and if you havent already done so restate your thoughts in a non black n white manner.
        Not everyone has a well developed concept about guns and if they are asking you about guns then they are looking for your guidance. You could have done a better job at.
        Pennys Dad

        Ps 25:4-5 NLT Show me the right path, O Lord; point out the road for me to follow. Lead me by your truth and teach me, for you are the God who saves me. All day long I put my hope in you.

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        • #19
          r3dn3ck
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 1900

          applause. Guns are for putting lethal holes in things. Not for discouraging them. If you'd like the man out of your house and don't want him dead, try a garden hose.

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          • #20
            Lumpia is sarap!®
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 2267

            I was just with a friend last night with a similar situation. He was given a shotgun and revolver from someone who was suicidal. And my friend doesn't know what to do with it...and cannot fathom of shooting someone, but just wants to shoot the bad guy in the arm. So he'd rather just use a bat.

            I shared a bit about my quote on my signature: Career criminals and psychos. But he was still stuck on not wanting to end someone's life. That's understandable. So I asked if he wanted to give them to me.
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            • #21
              JB-Norcal
              Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 314

              I think the honest and to the point opinion of the OP is best. I don't want any suger coated stroll around the point when seeking advice, straight up is best. Just be prepared to back your points.
              No you weren't harsh or rude in anyway, you might have the customer rethinking their views, which is a good thing. Maybe you should of suggested some intro training of some kind, just a thought.

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              • #22
                pontiacpratt
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 1663

                After the statement we talked about different handguns for a little bit. Talked about shotguns as an option. I showed him different storage options, to keep the handgun away from his kids. He expressed concern about his wife learning how to shoot, and I pointed him toward the "ladies' night" that our local range puts on. I showed him ammo options for HD (Glasers and HP). I don't think I turned him away from being a shooter.
                A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
                -Marko Kloos

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                • #23
                  shadowofnight
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 3749

                  Nope, you were spot on in your response.

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                  • #24
                    bob7122
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 5090

                    nope, how you said it was right. it should of been harsh and then an explanation that it was more dangerous to have a gun and not be ready to shoot it; than not have one.
                    Originally posted by 2761377
                    man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
                    it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
                    PSN name= entwie_dumayla
                    "I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
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                    • #25
                      Wonka17
                      Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 239

                      You did the right thing!
                      Reminds me of people saying they want to buy a gun just to "scare" an intruder.

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                      • #26
                        bsg
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 25954

                        you gave the logical feedback.

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                        • #27
                          bodger
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2009
                          • 6016

                          Not harsh, just realistic.

                          When the LA Riots broke out, I had a friend call me to ask if he could borrow a firearm. But no need for ammo, thank you, he said he "didn't want to load it or anything."

                          I told him to just stand on his roof and shake his fist at any assailants.

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                          • #28
                            pennys dad
                            Arizona Ex-Pat
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 5984

                            Originally posted by pontiacpratt
                            After the statement we talked about different handguns for a little bit. Talked about shotguns as an option. I showed him different storage options, to keep the handgun away from his kids. He expressed concern about his wife learning how to shoot, and I pointed him toward the "ladies' night" that our local range puts on. I showed him ammo options for HD (Glasers and HP). I don't think I turned him away from being a shooter.
                            Then you rebounded well and hopefully help a person become a responsible shooter, making good choices.
                            Pennys Dad

                            Ps 25:4-5 NLT Show me the right path, O Lord; point out the road for me to follow. Lead me by your truth and teach me, for you are the God who saves me. All day long I put my hope in you.

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                            • #29
                              GettoPhilosopher
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 1814

                              You may be able to solve his delusions by taking him shooting.

                              In my (limited) experience, a lot of the "I'm ok with defense but not deadly force" people are rooted in a movie-and-video-game sense of the perfect accuracy of firearms. They're the guys who seem to think it's entirely your choice whether you want to perfectly shoot a guy in the heart/head or perfectly shoot him in the leg/arm....like in the dark, adrenaline pumping, with a BG running at you with a knife and your family behind you, you're deliberating "Hm...do I want to disable this guy or kill? Eh, I'm an angry man. I'll kill him".

                              Get them to shoot and realize accuracy issues, and there's a chance they'll *get* why you aim for center mass. (Hint: it's not because you're overtaken with bloodlust. :P)

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                              • #30
                                odysseus
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 10407

                                I have had those conversations before repeatedly, like the inevitable person saying they will "aim for the leg" or just "maim" them. Pure ignorance. You just need to be firm and real, explaining how erroneous and dangerous that thinking is and how they need to get a real education and stop thinking like a child before they consider arming themselves for defense. Sometimes explaining the cold hard reality is the refreshment of choice for those people.
                                "Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen

                                The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.' and that `Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.'
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