Open carry at Newport Beach-Update

[Patrick-2]

Hugely bad idea.

You and the movement gain nothing by scaring and pissing off a bunch of people who might otherwise be open to guns. Antagonizing LEOs and citizens is not a good thing. You have no "right" to OC...it's a legislative mistake.

Make a scene and expect retribution for yourself and for the movement as a whole.

Change won't happen overnight. If society is fearful of you, there are no number of court cases that will protect you and your rights. It will be a constant uphill struggle. Our end goal is to gain acceptance -- forcing others to adapt instantly to you is not going to help that acceptance.

When we have court cases backing this as a "right", then we begin an education campaign in selected areas at selected times. We plan for acceptance, not shock. For starters...we begin in areas where LEOs will support us.

No civil rights movement gains instant change or success. The time may come for non-violent protest...but not yet. It will hurt us at this point.

[The Director]

Don't do it at this time. I personally would never UOC in Newport. It's the last place I would do that.....you'll get rolled man whether you're right or not.

[choprzrul]

In the long run, the $20,000 you spend on legal defense would be better put to use through a donation to the CalGuns Foundation.

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[uxo2]

I've seen them overreact to kids on a skateboard. I'm just saying. Do you have $20k set aside for a legal fund?

Have someone away from you to video the moment for court....

And exercise and fight foryour rights...or lose them.

[GrizzlyGuy]

Here is the Newport Beach municipal code. I skimmed it and didn't see a prohibition on open carry, just one on firearm discharge (chapter 10.24), but as Gene said you should check it carefully if you decide to go through with this.

[AndrewMendez]

There is absolutely nothing unlawful about PD holding you at gunpoint in this scenario. You are armed and your danger is unknown. They have every right to maintain officer safety and public safety by using appropriate tactics (Including pointing guns at you etc etc) to detain you and check your weapon. Do you really want that all to happen with your kids? Common now.

An e check is not legal. Exercising your right to own and carry unloaded a firearm with ammo next to it, is not illegal. Please enlighten me as to which part allows the cop to detain you, check your firearm, and run the serial number? The thread about Detective Tuason comes to mind.

If you were driving your car, which can be used to kill someone just like a gun, and your sitting at a red light...does the cop have justification to stop you, hold a gun to your head, and check to see if your car is registered?

[paul0660]

An e check is not legal

Why do you say that?

does the cop have justification to stop you, hold a gun to your head, and check to see if your car is registered?

Other than the gun to the head part, which you have added for color, if the car's tags aren't current, yes there is justification.

[gumby]

Why piss people off, look what happened in Westminster--I witnessed the whole thing.

[Patrick-2]

An e check is not legal. Exercising your right to own and carry unloaded a firearm with ammo next to it, is not illegal. Please enlighten me as to which part allows the cop to detain you, check your firearm, and run the serial number? The thread about Detective Tuason comes to mind.

If you were driving your car, which can be used to kill someone just like a gun, and your sitting at a red light...does the cop have justification to stop you, hold a gun to your head, and check to see if your car is registered?

Please (anyone) explain where this "right" is recognized. The relevant CA Code does not define a "right", it defines an "allowance". That means the ability to carry a gun is predicated on the will of the legislature.

Not some future, theoretical case that goes the right way. Not some philosophical argument. I want a ruling case decided by a CA appellate level court (or federal appellate) that recognizes you have a honest-to-god actual "right" to UOC (or any other manner of carry).

You won't find it.

So for all those thinking of UOC...keep in mind the distinction is not small. If you risk it anyway, be fully informed.

We need to using the word "right" to define the laws regarding UOC in CA; it just confuses people who might make a move that lands them in legal hot water. Rights cannot be abridged (easily) by the legislature. UOC can be voted down in minutes and you will have no recourse. The CA Supreme Court will not overturn legislative intent when it comes to UOC, unless some "right" is recognized to exist.

That is the difference between a "right" and an "allowance".

[domino]

In the long run, the $20,000 you spend on legal defense would be better put to use through a donation to the CalGuns Foundation.

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or a nice start to a college fund for his kids.

[CitaDeL]

I think its interesting that it hasn't occured to any of the posters above that there is a likelihood that if someone solo open carries for protection, that nothing extraordinary could happen. No stampede of frightened onlookers. No police response. No (e) check.

Instead, we have a carcophony of voices warning of the consequences and assuring that only harm will follow.

I can tell you from experience that solo open carry(I carried for a year before police were called) is a completely different animal than that of the organized meets where media and protestors join in. One cannot be equated with the other, any more than a single grain of sand can amount to a beach.

Unpucker a little bit, AB144 is coming and you wont have to worry about open carry much longer.

[ripcurlksm]

At this time it's advised that people refrain from UOC for political reasons.

I believe that Newport Beach municipal code bans open carry. You should check that first.

Hugely bad idea.

Don't do it at this time.

This is good advice. UOC is not going to advance LOC/CCW, the pro 2A lawyers will

[Don the savage]

Anyone who has dealt with newport beach pd knows you are making a huge gamble going there UOC. If you get The right officer (rhymes with glee) you might get dumped. Anyone familiar with the dept or the nb fire department knows what I mean. At the very least you can join the score of us who have visited the facilities on jamboree for no reason other than it gives them something to do.

[command_liner]

Woah!

There is an elementary school at 13th street south of the pier.
The playground extends toward the pier. Measure carefully.

[NiteQwill]

I think its interesting that it hasn't occured to any of the posters above that there is a likelihood that if someone solo open carries for protection, that nothing extraordinary could happen. No stampede of frightened onlookers. No police response. No (e) check.

Newport Beach PD is a different breed and animal. Not to mention the location is a huge tourist attraction. They (NBPD) WILL bring a reckoning (legal or not, per se).