Open Carry California

[MasterrEugene]

I was just wondering. What does the people of calguns.net think of the open carriers of california who are excercising their constitutional rights in public?

Personally i think it's really cool yet dangerous (in the sense that they get a lot of hassle from policemen). I would like to see California with a good number of law abiding citizens open carrying, although that would take a lonnnnggg lonnng time if it ever does happen.

What are your thoughts on this subject?

Edit: thanks to the person below me. texas is not a open carry state.

[Zomgie]

Texas does not allow open carry. Arizona, on the other hand...

[MasterrEugene]

oh really? sorry i thought they were open carry.

[MasterrEugene]

oh really? sorry i thought they were.
edit: my bad on the double post -.- and i don't know how to delete it. lol

[Tommy-gun-justin]

There's prob a reason why.everyone on your block has one,and not everyone is nice

[inbox485]

Why to I smell Brady plants stirring the pot?

[golfrj]

Why is everyone so hung up on Open Carry? I'm Old so my opinion will probably differ than most--This Open Carry stuff I feel is counter productive, especially amongst all the Libs in Ca, they point and proclaim to all that will listen-- See there go your Nut Case Gun People--Radio, Newspapers, TV all report it as a Negative Happening.. You cannot change peoples attitude by SHOVING Your's down their throat... JMHO Sta Safe, Jim

[pullnshoot25]

Re: Open Carry California

Do a search on this forum, it has been covered quite extensively.

[PyroFox79]

Why is everyone so hung up on Open Carry? I'm Old so my opinion will probably differ than most--This Open Carry stuff I feel is counter productive, especially amongst all the Libs in Ca, they point and proclaim to all that will listen-- See there go your Nut Case Gun People--Radio, Newspapers, TV all report it as a Negative Happening.. You cannot change peoples attitude by SHOVING Your's down their throat... JMHO Sta Safe, Jim

This is true. Yes it is their right to open carry but I dont think that it is accomplishing anything. I have a right to wer a speedo when I go to the beach but I dont think people want to see that. Its the same with open carry, most people aren't accustomed to seeing guns in public other than on a cop. Just my .02

[joepamjohn]

There is a difference between excercising your "constitutional Rights" and showing common sense and restraint. Some people have a hard time knowning the difference.If you have a legitimate need to carry or feel truely unprotected without a sidearm then go for it, but be ambassadors for the 2A rights you are excercising, not a moron. Keep in mind that it may not be a choice welcomed by all people out in the public and you probably will not change that. If your atttitude is "screw all of those who may not have your same view point", then you are doing yourself and other gun owners a disservice.

An example: 25 guys all converge on PEET's coffee in San Ramon (Lib's Ville) at one time to show 2A OC unity. What did it really show, and how did that positivley promote the 2A movement, especially to the soccer moms with kids at their side?

If you are just carrying to prove that you can, and are looking to see reactions of others then that in my opinion is an unwarranted need and only promotes more anti-gun anguish among those who may be uneasy with the idea. (and there will be many). I subscribe to the "out of sight, out of mind" theory. I don't carry and don't plan to, but that's just me. I am not affraid to stand up for my 2A rights, but feel a holstered sidearm at Peet's is not the place for me to do that. I also don't give the anti's or those who are in the middle any ammunition (no pun) when I walk past them.

These are only my opinions and no doubt will differ from most here on this subject.

[niceguy]

Well, they weren't accustomed to seeing gays do their thing openly either. Every minority group in the land took time to make visible their issue and force the confrontation necessary to establish the fact that they can do whatever legal thing they want.

It wasn't always easy or safe. Hell, we should be pushing for hate crimes legislation for our side!

I know it's absurd, but I'm trying to make a point. If we're quiet about it, we'll be expected to stay quiet about it. I don't want them telling me to go away, put it away and stay away.

[Ant45]

What I'm curious about is why do the groups that open carry always do so at Starbucks or a park in a safe neighborhood? Why don't we see this happen in Oakland or other cities where crime is high?

[j.primo]

What I'm curious about is why do the groups that open carry always do so at Starbucks or a park in a safe neighborhood? Why don't we see this happen in Oakland or other cities where crime is high?

good point! The folks in E. Oakland are CC-ing and aren't afraid to use their guns in public.

[joepamjohn]

Well, they weren't accustomed to seeing gays do their thing openly either. Every minority group in the land took time to make visible their issue and force the confrontation necessary to establish the fact that they can do whatever legal thing they want.

It wasn't always easy or safe. Hell, we should be pushing for hate crimes legislation for our side!

I know it's absurd, but I'm trying to make a point. If we're quiet about it, we'll be expected to stay quiet about it. I don't want them telling me to go away, put it away and stay away.

Let's use your Gay example for comparison:

25 openly gay men and women "swish" into Peets Coffee all wearing their "Gay Pride" shirts. I am pretty sure there would be some raised eyebrows and comments by some of the patrons but there would not be any public fear of someone accidentally or intentionally trying to have intimate relations with them. What's the worst that would happen? Maybe they would decorate or clean the place. When is the last time you heard about a randon act of "Gayness" in the news that killed or injured someone? Now here come those 25 men again all openly carrying guns into the same place. What's the worst that can happen there? Who knows, that is where the fear from the general public comes into play and problems start.

The point is that the difference here is Guns, and not everyone likes or sees a need for guns. It's the way it is and force feeding the idea onto those that don't want it is not a positive 2A move. My opinion is being quiet about guns and the 2A movement is the right thing to do in a Peet's coffee house where you have nothing to gain and eveything to loose by meeting there. I am a gun owner and I would be uncomfortable if these guys all came in when I was there with my family too. There is a time and place for everything. Being vocal and involved about 2A issues is important on November second by voting for people that hopefully will see things the same way you do.

[joepamjohn]

What I'm curious about is why do the groups that open carry always do so at Starbucks or a park in a safe neighborhood? Why don't we see this happen in Oakland or other cities where crime is high?

It's because they are just looking for the reactions from the people in those so called "Safe Neighborhoods" and in reality don't want to really have to use them like they would in Oakland. Most of these guys would not know what to do if they actually needed to use the gun in the first place.