Would you REALLY fight for your guns?

[Matt C]

The majority of folks on here said they would fight to keep their guns (based on another poll in this forum), but I think they have a romantic idea of how confiscation would go down. I would like to give a more likely and specific scenario:

It's a few years from now, guns are not banned, but there has been a crack down (something like "The War on Guns" is popular). The police/ATF came to the door, Detective types, not SWAT. They identify themselves and someone asks if you are (insert your name here). If you are a C&R holder or FFL expect they would ask about that too, since it basically gives them the right to look at your guns. (The C&R ones anyway).

You can say no, the guns are in a lake, stolen, whatever, but guess what? They have a search warrant. It seems one of your friendly neighbors said you had illegal machine guns (nevermind how he would know that). It seems they are here to take all your guns for "inspection and test firing". Yes, even the bolt actions because, "we are field agents not machine gun experts". When will you get them back, "well when the investigation is completed of course" (milpitas anyone?).

So right there, your guns are going to go away. Maybe for a few months, maybe forever. Also, who knows what kind "modifications" might happen to you guns in the hands of the ATF. One of your guns might even be "accidentally" switched for an actual machine gun (you have PROOF of all your serial numbers right?).

So what do you do, fight? You might even win, they don't look so well armed... But everything they are doing is "legal" right? Murder LE in cold blood? I think thats a more difficult decision than "would I fight".

Now if you don't shoot, there are many options, but WOULD YOU SHOOT? Only yes or no there.

[CalNRA]

the ironic thing is if you did shoot to protect your legally owned firearms, Calguns will be discussing how dumb of an A-hole you are for shooting at LE types. THey will never know that it was an Calgunner, just some dumb redneck that was clearly not as logic as them. They'll be discussing how much more rational they are and what YOU did was not in accordance with the law and that you deserved to get shot.

[thedrickel]

If I was one of the first that this happened to and I was unprepared, most likely no shooting would be happening. If word spread that this was going on I would be prepared to defend my constitutional rights.

[redneckshootist]

crap I voted before I read the post, after reading the post I am not shure I'd be shootin. It would depend I may or may not. If I new I did nothing wrong I probally wont shoot the LE and would fight it legally (of course they wont get all the guns just the ones in my house I do keep other guns stored other places just incase) Of course If this was happening with everyone Id' die in a pile of brass to protect my rights

[wilit]

This is the scenario that I've always thought would happen, which is why I didn't vote in the other thread. Many people believe when the MIB come to take your firearms, it's going to go down like Ruby Ridge or Waco. If it does go down, it'll be more like what Blackwater described. Scary.

[TonyM]

If you are a C&R holder or FFL expect they would ask about that too, since it basically gives them the right to look at your guns. (The C&R ones anyway).

No, this is incorrect. They have the right to ask you to review your bound book, by appointment. You have the right to have that done at your local field office, not your place of residence.

[mcubed4130]

Would I shoot a LE, for doing what they have been told to do as part of their job? No... Would I post on Calguns, call the NRA, call a lawyer or 2 or 3, yes.

You are illustrating the reason the 2nd amendment was created...

Governments and corruption - could eventually create a "chain of command" - that would allow everyone to be busily following the rules of whatever organization they belong to. It becomes very easy after a while to hold the organizational mentality - if you aren't one of the organization - you must be the enemy or a potential enemy. This style of thinking permeates our society at many levels.

And yet, if you do not have the outsider - who is also armed (legally or literally) with their own methods to counteract these organizations then the possibility of dictatorship becomes an easier reality. The founders of this country believed that the 2nd amendment would provide such a method of countering the possible corruption of the government, as well as 3 branches, and other checks and balances...

But obviously they did not count on the multiple decades of drug addicted brain dead people - who vote like they are at a football game (red team vs. blue team) and that's all they do. When you point out the Red team sucks, the people who vote for the red team, think you are one of those nasty Blue team people. When you point out the Blue team sucks, the people who vote for the blue team, think you are one of those nasty Red team people. And in the meantime... Rome burns... oh sorry... the USA burns...

-M3

[midnitereaper]

I was going to give a reply to what I would do in that situation but after thinking about it I decided to let it go. No I would not fire at a leo or doj FIRST but only in self defence if they fired at me. No I would not let them leave with my weapons no matter what laws they showed me for reason in taking them.

The local DOJ and LEO may have their anti American laws but I still stand for the COTUS and BoR. I still feel its my job as a former Marine to guard those rights!

It would be pretty cool to have this standoff take place on April 19!

[Q]

the only thing i would have to loose is my handguns.
1 be good friends with your neighbors. I am. so that neighbor thing would never work..no ffl, c&r, or aw.
2 if they are asking for my handgun. what the hell is going on? katrina?
3 if i have to stay. i need my handgun. i saw what the police did for the citizens of katrina.
4 if i had a way out of the disaster area. i might just give up my handgun if it was a absolute safe way out of the disaster area.

so if i was stuck in a disaster area with no way out i guess i would fight to reserve the right to own and protect myself but not guns a blazing.

[Matt C]

But obviously they did not count on the multiple decades of drug addicted brain dead people - who vote like they are at a football game (red team vs. blue team) and that's all they do. When you point out the Red team sucks, the people who vote for the red team, think you are one of those nasty Blue team people. When you point out the Blue team sucks, the people who vote for the blue team, think you are one of those nasty Red team people. And in the meantime... Rome burns... oh sorry... the USA burns...

-M3

Excellently put.

[unsped]

sorry im not going to kill someone who isn't threatening my life.

[SemiAutoSam]

What about someone that is threatening your liberty?

How much will you bend over for those that would take your God Given liberties. Until you are in shackles for just wanting to have free speech ?

sorry i'm not going to kill someone who isn't threatening my life.

[DedEye]

I vote maybe.

[Jedidiah]

If they are taking away your means to defend your life isn't that the same as threatening your life?

[SemiAutoSam]

Ahhh your on the fence.

Careful of the razor wire up there.








Give the Man a gold star. YES IT IS.

If they are taking away your means to defend your life isn't that the same as threatening your life?

I vote maybe.