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[AndrewMendez]

Can we add a All of the Above Option? If not, Tactical Carbine would be the way to go.

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[tacticalcity]

If I were to take a class tomorrow from these guys it would be the Tactical Carbine Rifle Course, however my training focus is primarily on the handgun right now.

I need to take an advanced handgun course. However, no school recognizes the training of any other school out there (these guys might, I did not ask, but it is a safe bet they don't). So once you pick a school for a particular weapon system, you are better off continuing with all their various course levels rather than starting over at a different school before learning advanced things. Once you're done with their full list of courses for that weapon system, then its smart to try a different school with a different school of thought. But if all you ever take are entry level courses from lots of different schools, you never progress beyond a certain point...or so my current thought process goes.

I took the 4 Day Defensive Handgun course from Front Sight. Loved it. Shot graduate level, which is far from easy, and am allowed to move on to the next level of training that they offer. I am pretty excited to take the 2 Day Advanced Tactical Handgun Course, but am still paying off my last trip there (thanks to Vegas being so close by) so it might be a while.

Front Sight teaches the Weaver Stance and has a specific school of thought. I like it, and find it very effective. Once I have taken their full list of courses I will be interested in taking them again, but through a school that teaches the Isosceles Stance and school of thought. But if I were to take those classes now I would end up doing an Iso-Weaver and be all messed up. I want to master the one before starting the other.

The fact that I am also excited to take Carbine Courses could tempt me, and slow down my progression with the handgun. But oh well...its all fun. I will likely take Carbine Courses from a different school than Front Sight. Don't get me wrong. I love that school. I just would like to try out a few other places as well. And since they do not recognize each others training, it is important I pick the right one so I am not constantly starting over.

[till44]

I've taken some of each, and although Carbine and shotgun are fun, a pistol class far more beneficial to every day joes.

[esskay]

Looking at their site, the most interesting courses to me would be Force on Force and Tac Pistol II with the shoot house.

[esskay]

However, no school recognizes the training of any other school out there (these guys might, I did not ask, but it is a safe bet they don't). So once you pick a school for a particular weapon system, you are better off continuing with all their various course levels rather than starting over at a different school before learning advanced things. Once you're done with their full list of courses for that weapon system, then its smart to try a different school with a different school of thought. But if all you ever take are entry level courses from lots of different schools, you never progress beyond a certain point...or so my current thought process goes.

I took the 4 Day Defensive Handgun course from Front Sight. Loved it. Shot graduate level, which is far from easy, and am allowed to move on to the next level of training that they offer. I am pretty excited to take the 2 Day Advanced Tactical Handgun Course, but am still paying off my last trip there (thanks to Vegas being so close by) so it might be a while.

Front Sight teaches the Weaver Stance and has a specific school of thought. I like it, and find it very effective. Once I have taken their full list of courses I will be interested in taking them again, but through a school that teaches the Isosceles Stance and school of thought. But if I were to take those classes now I would end up doing an Iso-Weaver and be all messed up. I want to master the one before starting the other.

The fact that I am also excited to take Carbine Courses could tempt me, and slow down my progression with the handgun. But oh well...its all fun. I will likely take Carbine Courses from a different school than Front Sight. Don't get me wrong. I love that school. I just would like to try out a few other places as well. And since they do not recognize each others training, it is important I pick the right one so I am not constantly starting over.

Curious about your experience with schools not recognizing other schools? Many (but not all) trainers recognize other "reputable" or "recognized" schools to allow students into their more advanced classes... I think this typically means "reputable" or "recognized" -- in their opinion! Some will also accept a certain skill classification from competition (e.g. C class in USPSA, etc) for particular classes. And there are some progressions of classes with some schools where they want you to take them in order (though I'm sure you could always discuss on a case by case basis).

Looking more carefully at Falcon's site, the show acceptable prerequisites as "Equivalent from a Reputable Training Organization"

As far as Front Sight, my own personal opinion is that it would probably be better to take their carbine classes than handgun. This is because I really do think that unless someone has particular body mechanics that preclude effective use of the modern isosceles stance that spending time to master Weaver is counter productive. Surely it is challenging and an achievement to pass the Front Sight standards, but I would really encourage trying out an instructor who will show you all the rationale behind Isosceles (body alarm response, body physics, recoil management, etc etc)... because however great a shooter you become in Weaver I bet you would be even better with Isosceles.

That being said, one can still get a lot out of classes even if some of your fundamentals are different than what is being taught. At a Larry Vickers class, one of the students was a longtime Front Sight student and shot Weaver stance. Naturally, Vickers teaches modern isosceles but that student was getting his hits and Larry left his stance alone and focused on the other aspects of his curriculum with him. That fellow, even though he didn't modify his stance, left the course a better pistol shooter. I'd argue he'd be even better if he switched stances, but he might get a little worse before he got better after all that time perfecting Weaver... Should add that he was telling me how tired he got and how his accuracy was suffering by the end of each day with all that isometric tension in Weaver, much more so than the rest of us shooting Isosceles.

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[FALCONSECURITYGROUP]

Thank you for participating

Hello all CALGUNNERS,

I just wanted to take a moment on FALCON's behalf to respond to some of the results from the POLL and thank you for putting in your two cents.

FALCON would like to clarify something as we believe it is what makes us unique from some of the other training schools or institutions out there.

FALCON's mindset is simple. Our way way is not "THE" way but "A-WAY". We have all trained with some of the best instructors on the planet. We have trained with some that would be considered not so much. However, every time we as instructors take a course from a instructor we always walk away with more tools in our tool box. Each course that we instruct, we learn from our students. We firmly believe that they day you have made the decision to stop learning and that you know everything is the day that KARMA catches up to you and MURPHY is sitting there watching with a bowl of popcorn and a HOT beer.

We invite all of our students who participate to try our ways based on what we believe works from a collective operational experience. If you like what we teach and decide to use it, great. Retain those tools in your tool box so if you need them one day you have them. If you have trained one way for ever and that is the end all be all for you, then that is great too. FALCON's primary concern is that so long as what you do is SAFE then your G2G (good to go).

Now, on the subject of recognized training schools and what FALCON will except in order for you to attend a higher level of training courses such as our TACTICAL PISTOL or RIFLE II course. This is done on a case by case bases. However, I will give you a few expectable examples since anyone who reads this is going to want to know. So long as you can produce proof of attendance/completion from training institutions such as Vickers, LMS Defense, Grey Group, Tiger Swan, MAGPUL, Paul Howe, etc... then you are good to go.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact us via email or by phone. Our contact information is located on our website at www.falconsecurity.us.

We look forward to seeing you all soon on the training field.

Also, keep this thought in mind. FALCON wants to put on a training day just for CALGUNNERS so that you folks have the opportunity to see first hand what our teaching style is all about. Stay tunned for a special offer that will be posted shortly.

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[sleepur606]

Weird, I figured more people would have voted shotgun.

In my skewed, whacked out way of thinking, I just thought a tactical shotgun course might be more useful in the everyday. I would guess that a lot more of us would be in a situation needing self defense in the home and tactical shotgun might apply there.

If you're only interested in learning one thing, right now, then yeah, tactical carbine course might be better.

[Greg-Dawg]

I live and breath tactical. I use the word "tactical" 500 times a day.

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

Tactical Carbine, A pistol is only used to get to your Rifle.

[m98]

Carbine&pistol together........Carbine course can be applied to shotty course too, but with slight modifications due to the differences in the two weapons.

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