silencer ?

[Cokebottle]

they are only illegal after being removed from the paintball gun. If it is an integral part of the paintball gun they appear to be legal. I would have to assume that the same would go for a pellet gun.

That is exactly what ke6 said in the 2nd post in the thread.
It would be perfectly legal on a non-firearm only if it cannot be removed.

You could theoretically build one as a permanent part of the gun, but you really are flirting with a felony. In much the same way as assembling an AK47 be putting the pistol grip on before installing the maglock would be manufacturing an assault weapon, even if for only 30 seconds, building a silencer and THEN welding it to the barrel, then you would be guilty of a felony (federal!) from the time the unit is functional until it is welded to the barrel.

This means that the unit would literally have to be assembled on the barrel. Weld the first plate on, weld the outer tube to the plate, then start stacking the baffles inside, then weld the muzzle cap on.... all while keeping everything jigged so it remains straight and doesn't warp from the heat of welding. This is something beyond the capabilities of most DIY shops.

Don't even mess with a coke bottle and toilet paper... it's still a felony. If the device CAN be used to silence a firearm, even by 1db, and even if only once, it is a restricted NFA device.

Move to a "free" state, pay a $200 tax to the ATF, and you can have a legal silencer.

[xxdabroxx]

That is exactly what ke6 said in the 2nd post in the thread.
It would be perfectly legal on a non-firearm only if it cannot be removed...

After re-reading, i agree.

[Cokebottle]

I just fully read the .pdf and it appears that the specific type of paintball silencer tested IS a silencer only if it is taken off of the gun. And BTW, the silencer likely worked due to its design. It likely allows for the gasses to expand into the chambers and lower the pressure thus reducing the noise.

That is exactly how any muffler or silencer works... the shockwave is either self-canceled through proper baffle design/can dimensions, or attenuated through the use of a packing material.

I wonder if a tube with regular sponge foam will constitute a silencer. If I understand the .pdf correctly, the OP should be able to create a silencer with the foam silencer, or even a plastic baffle silencer and permanently attach it to his bb/pellet gun. I dont see that being any different than the paintball gun with the permanently attached suppressor being legal.

Yes. An empty soda bottle would constitute a silencer.

The only way to legally do it would be to construct it on the barrel... and JB-weld isn't going to do the job.
The easiest way would be using the design pictured by xxdabroxx, but even that is a job for a quality mill. Just drilling the barrel with a press is going to leave burrs on the inside bore at the holes.... and of course, the potential for warping the barrel when attaching the body.

[Jpach]

That is exactly how any muffler or silencer works... the shockwave is either self-canceled through proper baffle design/can dimensions, or attenuated through the use of a packing material.

I know, I meant to say that "it likey worked on the firearm due to the design...".

Couldnt a room technically be a silencer depending on where they measure the sound? I know thats recidulous but from the POV of someone outside of a room or building, the report from the firearm is not as loud outside as it is inside. Shouldnt then a room or building be considered a silencer?

[Cokebottle]

Couldnt a room technically be a silencer depending on where they measure the sound? I know thats recidulous but from the POV of someone outside of a room or building, the report from the firearm is not as loud outside as it is inside. Shouldnt then a room or building be considered a silencer?

Uhh.... no. The designed purpose of the room is not to act as a silencer for a weapon.

But I'd be curious to know if an NFA charge would be brought as an enhancement if someone were to use a pillow while committing a murder?

[Turo]

12500. The term "silencer" as used in this chapter means any device
or attachment of any kind designed, used, or intended for use in
silencing, diminishing, or muffling the report of a firearm. The term
"silencer" also includes any combination of parts, designed or
redesigned, and intended for use in assembling a silencer or
fabricating a silencer and any part intended only for use in such
assembly or fabrication.

This says it's a silencer if it's designed for, used for, or intended for muffling a firearm.

Weird, I always thought it had to be attached to the gun, which is why a room or wall, or secret underground shooting range wouldn't be considered a silencer. But now that I read the code, if any device or attachment reduces the report, you've got a silencer.

So I guess the question is, what constitutes a device?
Webster says, "a piece of equipment or a mechanism designed to serve a special purpose or perform a special function" which seems to say that it's a thing made to make the gun quieter. So intent seems to play a part.

Forgive my rambling, it's 0220.

[Cokebottle]

Bingo.

That's why I brought up the pillow.
If a DA feels that he needs additional charges with which to force a plea bargain, it seems that the use of a pillow, jacket, or sweatshirt would be a "gimmie" charge that would carry a pretty hefty enhancement and a threat of federal charges if the DA got the local federal prosecutor involved.

Although, the construction of an indoor range certainly includes "intent"... but it could be that the range owners hold the proper FFL to allow construction of a "silencer".

[cdtx2001]

Why are we bothering with this silencer talk. Us mere mortals in CA cannot possess such things. I'm surprised our dear lawmakers haven't made a law prohibiting wet dreams about them.

[WeekendWarrior]

WWRTW

[xxdabroxx]

You're basically pogo sticking on the edge of the grand canyon here...

I concur, but dreaming is fun.

[bigthaiboy]

Just shoot Aguila Colibri .22s out of a .22LR rifle. There is a 375fps and a 500fps version. Quieter than most air rifles.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=163096

People say don't shoot this ammo in a rifle, as it may not have the energy to travel the whole length of the barrel. I've shot 200+ rounds of the 375fps through my Marlin 795 and russian TOZ-78 with no problems at all.

[m24armorer]

This thread baffles me

[SJgunguy24]

This thread baffles me

Not funny J. Did you get any of my PM's or e mails

[hunteran]

This thread baffles me

I see what you did there...

[DocSkinner]

^? i was thinking of making one out of 1 liter pepsi bottles. or trying toilet paper or something like that.no way that would be able to hold up to a real firearm or would it?

Played with both as a kid in Idaho. 2 Liters worked well, but block sights... TP worked well, for **A** shot, and then you have to extinguish the TP...