Quick MS2 question about 2 point configuration.

[bombadillo]

So the "Lockjaw" unit that they use on the MS2 slings are going to have to snap on to something. What have you guys used for them to connect to the front of the rifle?? I was looking at the M.I. HK sling thing on a few sites for around 35 bucks, but wondered if there are any better options. Do the Magpul slings even like connecting to an HK style attachment point or are there other optimal attachment methods. Thanks in advance.

[bombadillo]

I'm dying to hit the ADD to cart button............

[esskay]

Are you talking about the MCTAR-TS? That doesn't look big enough for the lockjaw.

I have used an empty QD sling swivel sitting in a QD socket on the rail. This works fine.

I also picked up a CQD mount thinking it might be a good way to go, but it will need to be modified a bit if I want to use it for the MS/2. The lockjaw is a little too big to work seamlessly with the CQD. I saw someone posting that they relieved some material on the mount to make it work.

[bombadillo]

This is exactly the kind of info I was looking for so thanks esskay. I am looking for what mount to get up front that will work with the lockjaw. I never saw a single recommendation coming from Magpul. I was also looking at the vtac setup for QD on 4 different points. Its here

We'll see, but lets keep them coming. Who has actually used it as a two point and how did you make it work well without being chincy??

[esskay]

The VTAC mount is nice but doesn't look like the loop is big enough to accommodate the MS/2's lockjaw either. If someone knows for sure, please chime in. But sure looks too small.

As I said, a QD socket (Daniel Defense rail mounted one seemed to be the lowest profile) with an empty QD swivel works fine for me.

If you're asking about the actual utility of the MS/2 sling, some thoughts on it:
* Think of it as a single point sling with bonus functionality. Its primary mode is single point. I see 2 pt mode as just a secondary feature. It is a fantastic single point sling, but it is not a great two point sling.
* I have used the MS/2's 2 pt mode to transport my rifle more comfortably, but would not use 2 pt mode to deploy the weapon. The great strength of a 2 pt sling like the Viking is that it works well as a shooting aid while providing sufficient (but not outstanding) ability to provide for transitions. What makes it a good shooting aid is the ability to very very easily fine tune length when you sling up. In 2 pt mode, the MS/2 cannot be adjusted easily enough; plus IMO the best attachment points for a 2 pt sling are at the ends of the rifle, which is not consistent with the MS/2. I do not find the MS/2 in 2pt mode to be much of a shooting aid.

The MS/2 really shines in direct action, dynamic, close quarters situations. So inside my home, for CQB, etc, I'd go for a MS/2 with ASAP plate and front mounting near the rear of the handguard (for the odd time when you might switch to 2pt mode).

For situations where you'd expect longer range contact, patrolling, etc, I'd consider a Viking VCAS sling mounted at the rear of buttstock (on outside strong side) and the front of the handguard, via QD swivels.

[damndave]

the MI HK sling point will NOT work. It is too small

[bombadillo]

Thanks both of you guys for responses. I went ahead and ordered a MCTAR-08hd and the MS2 sling. http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/...category_id=80 <---Here!! If the Midwest industries fails to be of use for me there, then I have other uses so it won't be wasted. I can use it for another project I have. I will be using the MS2 only on a 16" carbine anyway and my Boonie Packer 2pqt 2 point on my 18" and a standard padded sling on the 20" but that will be later. I am really wondering what ol "Kevlar Beard" Himself is using when he's dropping to the ground going urban prone for no apparent reason at shot show. He then gets back up, goes to 2 pt. configuration but what is this mystery attachment point that he clips to??

[Plisk]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/copy_of_Troy_Industries_Rail_Mountable_Sling_Combo_Mount.html

I believe Chris is using something like this. If you go to Magpul page for the MS2 there is a video link to Chris deomostrating it at Shotshow. It gives somewhat of a close up when he goes to 2-point. I'd find the link, but Youtube isn't being nice to me right now.

I'm planning to use the above mount, or the GI barrel mounted side sling attachment for my MS2.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4521/Product/M_4_USGI_BARREL_MOUNT_SWIVEL

[BlackViper]

I had an issue using the DD quick detach swivel on the front with the lock jaw. When running a COF sometimes the lock jaw would bind in such a way as to depress the QD button and release it completely from the mount. And what is with the tensioner on that lock jaw? ...when I first received it I couldn't even get it open, and even after the fact I was afraid to actually lock it down when on the rifle because if I had to detach it in a hurry I can't reliably get the jaw open.

Another issue I had was with the other end connector. Even though it has that little pull cord with the locking pin it would somehow drag on my plate carrier and would repeatedly pull open - releasing the other end of the sling while running a COF.

So I tried to like the MS2 but eventually couldn't stand it (for various reasons). It seemed like it did neither thing as well as a dedicated version, so I have a TT bungee single point that I like and a LaRue padded 2 point that I like - both of which have worked perfectly for me when running COFs in full plate carrier and gear.

As always, Your Mileage May Vary, but that was my experience.

[Mute]

The lockjaw works best with a non-swiveling front mount. I also find the CQD mount to work well with the MS2.

[esskay]

The lockjaw works best with a non-swiveling front mount. I also find the CQD mount to work well with the MS2.

Mute, did you make any modifications to your CQD mount? I found my lockjaw was just a tad too large to attach nicely, but it looked like if I relieved a little bit of material it might work well.

ETA - found info described below.

[esskay]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/c...mbo_Mount.html

I believe Chris is using something like this. If you go to Magpul page for the MS2 there is a video link to Chris deomostrating it at Shotshow. It gives somewhat of a close up when he goes to 2-point. I'd find the link, but Youtube isn't being nice to me right now.

I'm planning to use the above mount, or the GI barrel mounted side sling attachment for my MS2.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4...L_MOUNT_SWIVEL

I don't think that Troy is going to work with the lockjaw. Looks much too bulky for the lockjaw to fit around it.


As for the barrel mount, I don't know if you have a free float handguard but it is always a good idea if you can to keep sling mounts off of the barrel.

Also, I found out what the Magpul boys use for their front attachment point. A CQD mount like I posted above -- they opened up the loop and also cut the base down to take up less space. You can actually make it out in this picture, notice how the base has been chopped down between the two bolts:


Here's the thread I found on arfcom discussing this, with some more pics (I'm posting up these pics from that thread so credit goes to them):

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=19&t=454765

Also found a CQD review stating that it works well with the MS2 once you dremel down the ridge in the loop. Notice the ridge on the base side:


If you don't relieve the material, there isn't quite enough room for the lockjaw so the only way you can clip in is like this:


I plan to take a dremel to my CQD loop.

[Mute]

I have my CQD mount installed in a similar manner, though a further towards the front of my rail. I have not had to modify it for the lockjaw to fit.

[esskay]

I have my CQD mount installed in a similar manner, though a further towards the front of my rail. I have not had to modify it for the lockjaw to fit.

Can the lockjaw rotate/move in the loop, or does it get jammed up like in the last photo above?

[Mute]

The clip portion of the lockjaw stays put. It shouldn't move or rotate. The ability of the MS2 to move and rotate is carried out by the other parts of the hardware connected to the lockjaw device.