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  • #61
    nagorb
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    • Jul 2008
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    I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the link was included when he first wrote the post.

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    • #62
      ScottCoberly
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      • Nov 2009
      • 113

      Originally posted by nagorb
      My secret spot? you mean panoche?
      Panoche is the California version of Broke Back Mountain. All these Bay area weekend warriors playing cowboy.

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      • #63
        Cokebottle
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        • Oct 2009
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        Originally posted by ScottCoberly
        Anecdotal example. Already been discussed in this thread. There is a military base, highway and 3 ATV parks in this area (None of which was mentioned in that post until pointed out by the Goldleviathan later). Special situation meant special rules. This is an exception NOT regular BLM policy. Also there are signs posted there about the restrictions so nobody is going to accidentally start firing off an AR 15. Mitch also claimed that "Much of San Bernadino County is shotguns only". That is simply not true. San Bernadino County is huge and only a small portion has that restriction. He was being disingenuous to say the least. And trying to scare away others from using BLM land on the basis of fear, uncertainty and doubt IS FUD.
        The "shotguns only" restriction in the area between Victorville and Barstow is not limited solely to the areas immediately surrounding the OHV area.
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • #64
          nagorb
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          • Jul 2008
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          When did I post a "warning"? I made a comment to diginit and then you decided to come in.

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          • #65
            ScottCoberly
            Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 113

            Originally posted by nagorb
            I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the link was included when he first wrote the post.

            Yes it was.

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            • #66
              nagorb
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              • Jul 2008
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              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              The "shotguns only" restriction in the area between Victorville and Barstow is not limited solely to the areas immediately surrounding the OHV area.
              Hey hey dont be a know it all

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              • #67
                ScottCoberly
                Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 113

                Originally posted by Cokebottle
                The "shotguns only" restriction in the area between Victorville and Barstow is not limited solely to the areas immediately surrounding the OHV area.
                We know that. A map has been provided in this thread. It's still a small area in comparison to the county at large.

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                • #68
                  nagorb
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                  Originally posted by ScottCoberly
                  Panoche is the California version of Broke Back Mountain. All these Bay area weekend warriors playing cowboy.
                  Wow that comment really wasnt called for you just dissed half of calguns. How exactly are we playing cowboy?

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                  • #69
                    nagorb
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                    Originally posted by ScottCoberly
                    We know that. A map has been provided in this thread. It's still a small area in comparison to the county at large.
                    Yes nothing to worry about you most likely wont be shooting in that area so just disregard it. It sounds like you want people to get into trouble.

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                    • #70
                      ScottCoberly
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                      • Nov 2009
                      • 113

                      Originally posted by nagorb
                      Wow that comment really wasnt called for you just dissed half of calguns. How exactly are we playing cowboy?
                      Just keep bumping this thread up to the top. Hopefully everyone will get a chance to use public lands just to piss of Mitch and nagorb. Anyone just joining us, go to the OP's first post. All the information you need to know about BLM shooting areas is there. Some of these guys are haters and don't want to share with you.
                      Last edited by ScottCoberly; 11-02-2009, 10:44 PM.

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                      • #71
                        ScottCoberly
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 113

                        Originally posted by nagorb
                        Yes nothing to worry about you most likely wont be shooting in that area so just disregard it. It sounds like you want people to get into trouble.

                        Nobody is going to get in trouble as there are signs posted and the area is 300 miles from you. It constitutes about .0000000000001% of BLM land anyway. It's just one lame anecdotal example.
                        Last edited by ScottCoberly; 11-02-2009, 10:46 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Cokebottle
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                          Originally posted by ScottCoberly
                          We know that. A map has been provided in this thread. It's still a small area in comparison to the county at large.
                          One map covering that specific area.

                          Point being, we don't know and can't assume that the only reason the BLM restricts to shotgun-only is due to the OHV parks and military installations.
                          Without detailed maps from the BLM (or from http://www.firearmsmaps.com ) you can't make a blanket statement that target shooting of any type of gun is legal simply because it is BLM land and further than 150 yards from a structure.

                          The basic BLM maps from the new link in the first post (that link was added today) give us candidates for legal BLM shooting areas, but we must contact that area's field office.

                          Example: BLM areas along Hwy 79 east of Temecula are now closed to all target shooting due to the proximity of homes in the area. The only areas of the Palomar area of Cleveland National Forest... NF or BLM, that are open to target shooting is the relatively small area of Orosco Ridge.


                          Yes, these are exceptions, but these exceptions can be costly.
                          GENERAL BLM policy is that target shooting is cool, provided we follow "leave no trace", but it is up to us to be aware of the exceptions, and we can't get those from http://www.geocommunicator.gov/blmMap/Map.jsp?MAP=LAND
                          - Rich

                          Originally posted by dantodd
                          A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                          • #73
                            ScottCoberly
                            Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 113

                            Cokebottle, the geocommunicator.gov link was added to the first post today but it appeared later in the thread for some time now. However the link to BLM website with the rules has always been there. Find BLM areas using the OP's link. then go the BLM website for California. Every BLM field office provides a map of restricted area on their site. You'll find that not very many sites are restricted as they are generally very rural. Sure there are exceptions but do we really need some jokers to point out every one of them? If a person can find this forum and read this thread, they can certainly navigate the BLM website. Don't treat everyone as if they are an idiot. It's offensive. If there is any question about it, just call the local field office for your area.
                            Last edited by ScottCoberly; 11-02-2009, 10:53 PM.

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                            • #74
                              nagorb
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                              Originally posted by ScottCoberly
                              Nobody is going to get in trouble as there are signs posted and the area is 300 miles from you. It constitutes about .0000000000001% of BLM land anyway. It's just one lame anecdotal example.
                              What about all the other BLM land that in a no go?

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                              • #75
                                Cokebottle
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                                • 32373

                                Originally posted by ScottCoberly
                                Cokebottle, the geocommunicator.gov link was added to the first post today but it appeared later in the thread for some time now. However the link to BLM website with the rules has always been there.
                                Now go to the Palm Springs BLM office's site and try to get ANY information.
                                There are areas within that office's area that certainly are open to OHV operation, yet the office has a blanket statement that there are no legal OHV areas within Riverside County... then they go on to indicate that they make this statement because access involves either traversing private land or using public roads that do not allow OHV.

                                The Palm Springs office's site has no information that I could find regarding target shooting.
                                - Rich

                                Originally posted by dantodd
                                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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