3 Round Burst

[dwtt]

how bout' an HK 4 position 3rnd burst group??? anyone know how those work?

I don't know for sure how that 4 position works, but I'll take a guess at it. It does have several parts my semiauto G3 trigger group doesn't have.

Safe: the safety (#2) blocks the trigger (#13) from rotating.
Semi: the safety rotates the eccentric (#25) and moves the part (#21) toward the part (#22) but doesn't engage it. The hammer is controlled by the trigger and part (#17)
Burst: the safety rotates more and causes the eccentric to cause part #21 to engage #22 and gives a burst like the M16A2. After the burst is over, the trigger and part #17 stop the hammer
Full auto: the eccentric #25 moves part #21 out of engagement from part #22 and the gun fires in regular full auto.

Someone tell me I'm close since I have no idea if this is how the 4-position selector trigger group works.

[freakshow10mm]

Don't know H&Ks. Their trigger packs are more confusing than a woman.

[Hkfanatic]

Don't know H&Ks. Their trigger packs are more confusing than a woman.

nothing is more confusing then women,


HK's may break but there is a 150 process step by step manual laying around that will tell you exactly how to fix it, what planetary conditions must be like to fix it and how many chickens you must sacrifice in order to get parts to fix it


you think the burst group is bad, check out the belted ammunition feeding mechanisam of the HK21E

[freakshow10mm]

I'm well aware of the guts of the H&K family. That's why I don't deal with them. Overpriced, overcomplicated, under delivered. Because you suck and we hate you.

[sevensix2x51]

i found this for full auto. theres a rad gif of the burst fire, but for the life of me, i cant remember where i saw it...

[freakshow10mm]

That's with the DIAS.

Selector moves the disconnector out of the way and the DIAS holds the hammer back. The bolt carrier moves forward and releases the DIAS which lets go of the hammer and the cycle continues.

[Hayashi Killian]

Having never fired an M16A2 or M4, I don't know if the pawl resets or not after a short burst.

It does not. Nor when changing magazines. If you fire a short burst and empty your mag as a result, once you've loaded a new mag and finish off the burst, it will complete the short burst rather than start a new one. That's one of the problems with the M16 family.

[freakshow10mm]

Supplier says the parts will be here Tuesday.

[SkatinJJ]

You hold the trigger back and it fires 3 shots, then stops. You have to release the trigger and pull it again to fire it.

In semi auto mode, it operates like normal but it manually works through the teeth on the burst wheel and the disconnectors. It will cycle through all three in a row, each having a different pull weight. Pull the trigger it fires and the disconnector holds the hammer back until the trigger is pulled again.

The burst kit is in stock and I have one on order. It should be here Tuesday and I can show you guys how it goes down.

It does not. Nor when changing magazines. If you fire a short burst and empty your mag as a result, once you've loaded a new mag and finish off the burst, it will complete the short burst rather than start a new one. That's one of the problems with the M16 family.

You can manually cycle the m16/m4 if your heart desires.

If you want to make a small fortune, invent a consistent-pull trigger system for xN shots selector. Three rounds may be right for open country. five or six round may be better for street fighting.

Anyone read any feedback on this?

[freakshow10mm]

I'm a fan of having a true automatic rifle and training your soldiers to control their finger.

My little brother was in combat in Iraq. He said he only used full auto once. He did a 30rd mag dump as he hauled *** across an alley to get to a wounded comrade. He said kills are made with controlled shots in semi auto. Full auto is for cover fire and the SAWs.

[SkatinJJ]

I'm a fan of having a true automatic rifle and training your soldiers to control their finger.

My little brother was in combat in Iraq. He said he only used full auto once. He did a 30rd mag dump as he hauled *** across an alley to get to a wounded comrade. He said kills are made with controlled shots in semi auto. Full auto is for cover fire and the SAWs.

This needs to be an option. It's on every fighter to determine their need in any given situation. If you need two round bursts to a mag dump, hit the "selector" and rock-n-roll (and pucker up )

Semper FI!!!

JJ

[dwtt]

I'm a fan of having a true automatic rifle and training your soldiers to control their finger.

My little brother was in combat in Iraq. He said he only used full auto once. He did a 30rd mag dump as he hauled *** across an alley to get to a wounded comrade. He said kills are made with controlled shots in semi auto. Full auto is for cover fire and the SAWs.

That's how they train Marines, aimed shots in semi auto is good for most situations. We were told to use burst when we did a single envelopment exercise and overran the enemy, firing from the hip without reloading. Maybe they have changed the training by now after getting some lessons learned in Iraq.

[freakshow10mm]

Training can't cover all situations.

Being a spectator addicted to Youtube combat videos while my brother was over there (going to A-stan again now) I've very rarely heard full auto fire from M16s. If it was full auto it was a SAW or BMG.

[ar15barrels]

That's with the DIAS.

Selector moves the disconnector out of the way and the DIAS holds the hammer back. The bolt carrier moves forward and releases the DIAS which lets go of the hammer and the cycle continues.

Dias or real auto sear works the same way in burst or in full.
The sear is the hammer RELEASE timing mechanism that makes sure the carrier is forward before the hammer is released for each shot.
The 3rd burst parts just interrupt the hammer's cycle by release of the disconnector via the ratchet.

[hawk81]

There is nothing illegal about knowlege. What, you guys want to have thought police now to.