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  • #16
    Can'thavenuthingood
    C3 Leader
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 5251

    First thing I'd do is get a map of California and scratch off where a Range cannot be built, as in allowed by government agencies etc. They will suck you dry of every available dollar with conditions and requirements.
    Then pass you off to another agency.

    Starting with Environmental impact statements range plans could be tied up for years while everyone loses money and interest while the range has no productive income.

    It takes quite some time to start any sort of business in California, this is up there with a Nuclear Power plant.

    Vick
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    • #17
      Greg-Dawg
      Banned
      • Oct 2006
      • 7793

      Yeah go for it and I'll hear about it here.

      It's not easy as it seems.

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      • #18
        TheCilician
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 508

        Originally posted by gdun
        the funds would be spent on building a range, and the purpose of the range would be a place for calgunners to go, but also a place for new shooters to go.
        Exactly right!

        We are making the guns a public issue, telling our Government that we will not be held down and have the right o exercise our rights...plus we will be a an educator of laws.

        Imagine, CalGuns ranges are THE place to go for Safety Courses (This will benefit our cause, and bring good PR to our name)
        "What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that
        their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson

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        • #19
          aplinker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2007
          • 16762

          I talked about this a few times with fellow Calgunners...

          If you really deconstruct the idea I think you'll find that it's tougher than it sounds and really wouldn't add anything "different."

          Ranges are tricky in terms of zoning, insurance, etc. Often the best thing to do is become active in your local range.

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          • #20
            AngelDecoys
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 2393

            Liability would be the biggest hurtle. That insurance ain't cheap.

            IMO - CalGuns would be better off finding various ranges to 'sponsor events' over actually operating a physical range. Running a range isn't something to be taken lightly. Environmental reports, land acquisition, etc is a lot. There are probably enough ranges around in CA where some type of affiliation could be arranged. In exchange for affiliation, 'paid' Calgun members (if such a thing happens at some point in the future) get discounted range time or a kiosk at the range for putting up pamphlets/information.

            ETA: uclaplinker beat me to it.
            Manteca Sportsmen General website.
            MS 2012 General Schedule thread look here.
            Women's Classes at the Manteca Sportsmen (2012 Schedule posted)
            Indoor Winter Rimfire Shoot. Information here

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            • #21
              Turbinator
              Administrator
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2005
              • 11993

              I guess the alternative is to keep using BLM. It's free (we all pay for it already), and there are pretty much no holds barred. We just have to ensure that we keep maintaining the land, by cleaning up after ourselves.

              Turby

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              • #22
                MiguelS
                Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 486

                Also the biggest problem would be having all the CalGunners asking for discounts on everything, that no gain would come from it for the taxes, insurance, maintaince, someone to run the place. In every volunteer program, there are always people that are not volunteers.


                Then just to have three locations is tough. Where in SoCal, where in NoCal.

                Are people going to be willing to drive long distances, when they can go somewhere closer? Also, there must be rules in such places, why, because there is always liability issues.

                Great idea, but it always comes down to the $$$$.
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                • #23
                  Can'thavenuthingood
                  C3 Leader
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 5251

                  Originally posted by MiguelS
                  Also the biggest problem would be having all the CalGunners asking for discounts on everything, that no gain would come from it for the taxes, insurance, maintaince, someone to run the place. In every volunteer program, there are always people that are not volunteers.


                  Then just to have three locations is tough. Where in SoCal, where in NoCal.

                  Are people going to be willing to drive long distances, when they can go somewhere closer? Also, there must be rules in such places, why, because there is always liability issues.

                  Great idea, but it always comes down to the $$$$.

                  Okay, okay I got it.

                  A mobile shooting range.
                  We could drive it anywhere and setup in the Cow Palace parking lot.
                  City parks, Fairgrounds etc.

                  Vick
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