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  • #31
    Z ME FLY
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2008
    • 6590

    Originally posted by yzernie
    One of the problems with leaving negative is the jackball you leave the feedback for then blasts you with a retaliatory negative (see my feedback). I take a lot of pride in my customer service and my feedback reflects the fact that I am a good guy to deal with. When someone does something like the retaliatory blast it is very disheartening and makes one reluctantant to leave any further negative for the flakes.
    Bring it up to a Mod and they will take care of it. If the guy left me neg feedback, I would just PM and mod and see what they can do about it. I'm honest about my sells and when I say I will take it, I will take it unless something really weird and crazy comes up. i.e. losing my job if I had one to lose! haha

    I don't understand it when people say I'll take it and then buy another firearms of lesser quality and pay almost the same amount. Once again, I remember that guy told me my mossberg 500atp was only worth $100. Haha but yet, he buys the big 5 special for $280 not including DROS. Some people are just dumb.
    Originally posted by 69Mach1
    The virgin requires more work (don't they all )

    Originally posted by 69Mach1
    Z gets around. lol

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    • #32
      RobG
      Veteran Member
      • Dec 2006
      • 4887

      Originally posted by yzernie
      One of the problems with leaving negative is the jackball you leave the feedback for then blasts you with a retaliatory negative (see my feedback). I take a lot of pride in my customer service and my feedback reflects the fact that I am a good guy to deal with. When someone does something like the retaliatory blast it is very disheartening and makes one reluctantant to leave any further negative for the flakes.
      I had a similar thing happen; some moron left me neg feedback but, no transaction ever took place. He was just trying to "get me" because he didn't like a comment I made. I PM'd a mod and he removed the morons comments.

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      • #33
        rkt88edmo
        Reptile&Samurai Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Dec 2002
        • 10058

        Originally posted by Z ME FLY
        Netural feedback is if the person and you decide that the deal isn't a go imo. Negative is when someone flakes on you after they said I'll take it. The best is when they start to send you PMs all pissed off for giving them neg feedback

        I just send them a PM and tell them you should have NOT flaked after you said I'll take it. You deserve neg feedback because you are a FLAKER whose word isn't good. If you have a problem contact a mod about it.
        No.

        If someone backs out of the deal, yanks your chain, stands you up, sells to a higher offer - those are all cases where neutral feedback is appropriate.

        If you aren't out actual $$ or received an item that isn't quite as described but still acceptable then neutral feedback is the way to go. People can be banned from the FS or CGN for repeating such actions.

        If you are actually out money or the transaction has taken place and is unsatisfactory due to some misrepresentation or other problem and you are actually out an item or cash then neg away.

        If you aren't happy with the feedback you have received feel free to bring it up with the moderators.



        We should be hashing it out more thoroughly and posting "official CGN" guidelines, but what I have written above is where things generally stand today.
        Last edited by rkt88edmo; 07-24-2009, 11:44 AM.
        If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
        Use the goog to search calguns

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        • #34
          PatriotnMore
          Calguns Addict
          • Nov 2007
          • 7068

          That's unacceptable, and I would hope the mods would straighten out the situation, and let the person know, do it again, and you lose your privileges to access the buy and sell forums.

          Originally posted by yzernie
          One of the problems with leaving negative is the jackball you leave the feedback for then blasts you with a retaliatory negative (see my feedback). I take a lot of pride in my customer service and my feedback reflects the fact that I am a good guy to deal with. When someone does something like the retaliatory blast it is very disheartening and makes one reluctantant to leave any further negative for the flakes.
          ‎"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."
          --James Madison
          'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

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          • #35
            leelaw
            Junior Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 10445

            Originally posted by Z ME FLY
            sorry to hear that, leave the negative feedback for the person.
            Neutral feedback. Negative is reserved for more extreme cases, where it causes a hardship or loss of property.

            Originally posted by B.D.Dubloon
            I disagree with you plinker, someone posting an "I'll take it" and backing out is something which deserves negative feedback. Just describe in the itrader what the negative feedback is for. People will see that the person backed out and decide whether that is a big enough factor to decide against doing business with them.
            See above. Neutral is appropriate here.

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            • #36
              Beelzy
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2008
              • 9224

              Originally posted by rkt88edmo
              It just doersn't lok the way I thought it would on my wrist, the face doesn't contrast with my arm hair in a way that really pops.

              Ah, I see another soul has had such an experience or two.

              Yeah that term "pops" makes me want to pop something alright.
              "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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              • #37
                rkt88edmo
                Reptile&Samurai Moderator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Dec 2002
                • 10058

                Originally posted by Beelzy
                Ah, I see another soul has had such an experience or two.

                Yeah that term "pops" makes me want to pop something alright.
                Thankfully, I just made that up based on spending a month or two reading up on timezone (I think it was TZ?)
                If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
                Use the goog to search calguns

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                • #38
                  Never Convicted
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 1198

                  Sold a couple of guns recently . . .

                  Positive is for if all went well and both sides are happy with the transaction

                  Neutral is like hey whatever, cant say it was good cant say it was bad,

                  Negative is for someone that does not do what they say they were going to do

                  Not rocket science.

                  This is why there is feedback. And it is all subjective too. However as the OP wrote "I'll take it" means just that. One best be able to back up what he or she says. On Cal Guns or anywhere. All you have is your word.
                  " Let's Roll. "

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                  • #39
                    shooting4life
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 5768

                    Maybe they could make a fourth option just for when a buyer/seller backs out on an agreed upon deal (I'll take it) and leave the positive / neutral / negative for completed transactions only.

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                    • #40
                      Kingofthehill
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 1867

                      Originally posted by smle-man
                      I've chosen to sell four firearms to pay for two firearns purchased from fellow Calgunners this month. Twice now I've had a buyer who told me that he would 'take it' back out on the purchase, the most recent without even seeing the gun. the first told me that he would take it sight unseen based on the photos, without reservation. Then he changed his mind. Fortunately on the first instance a second buyer was lined up. This most recent time I passed on another buyer because he got in line after the first purchaser emailed me to say he'd take it and then backed out. Come on guys, think this through before saying you'll take it!
                      I missed a good deal even though i stated first "I'll take it"... i guess a PM got in first and for a little while i thought i just bought a new gun.

                      I wish it would be public and "I'll TAKE IT" on the thread took 1st place... but a lot of people are doing the "i'll take it" just to reserve it while they check their bank account, bills, is it what they really want? was this what my friend was looking for? ect...

                      ive never done that and never will... if i say i'll take it!... i'll take it...

                      Heck, for the most part i have had great experiences... ive actually bought 3 guns simply on my "WORD" that if you can hold it for me till next paycheck or the weekend, i'll buy it!... its worked out great and i have 2 more of those deals this weekend because i couldnt get down there because of mandatory overtime issues.

                      for the most part, great people here.

                      JOe

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                      • #41
                        lehn20
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 2355

                        +100000
                        NO PM for "I'll take it!! Only visible in the thread. So the timestamp can verify who rightfully won.

                        I lost a couple deals where I was first to take it, but was told a PM was before me.

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                        • #42
                          aermotor
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 2566

                          Originally posted by PatriotnMore
                          The problem is, and this is just my opinion, it appears when they chime in I'll take it. Some are using it to grab it before anyone else can, then if they decide they can't swing it financially, or decide they really don't want it, they back out.

                          It really pisses me off, I have had more than one person here do this. I am slow to leave negative feedback, but if it happens again, I am going to warn others about this kind of poor behavior.
                          This is the truth and is very annoying.

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                          • #43
                            sorensen440
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 8611

                            Would it be a violation of the rules to stipulate no sales to people with less then 1 positive feedback?
                            "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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                            • #44
                              rkt88edmo
                              Reptile&Samurai Moderator
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 10058

                              Originally posted by Never Convicted
                              Sold a couple of guns recently . . .

                              Positive is for if all went well and both sides are happy with the transaction

                              Neutral is like hey whatever, cant say it was good cant say it was bad,

                              Negative is for someone that does not do what they say they were going to do

                              Not rocket science.

                              This is why there is feedback. And it is all subjective too. However as the OP wrote "I'll take it" means just that. One best be able to back up what he or she says. On Cal Guns or anywhere. All you have is your word.
                              Nope, please see above.
                              If it was a snake, it would have bit me.
                              Use the goog to search calguns

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                              • #45
                                Gunaria
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 3894

                                Should we start a poll?

                                Who has more flakes Craigslist or CG?

                                Do enough dealing here or there you are bound to run into a flake or two. What really sucks is waiting around all day or most of a day for that buyer who said I'll take it in the thread and over the phone to at least give you the common courtesy of a phone call to say, "Hey I'm sorry, I can't get that from you right." Plus the mods saying that the above action does not warrant a neg. feedback. "Oh just leave a neutral."

                                I think it is time to let the old Soviet style of moderation on the feedback system go. Meaning if a flake burns you for your time, you leave them a NEGATIVE. If a flake burns you for money, you leave them a NEGATIVE. If a product you buy is not as described, you leave them a NEGATIVE.

                                Also to the mods & Kes, I think it is time to take another look at this issue. Since a big part of CG's is about buying, selling & trading firearms & firearm accessories (yes that is a little of Hank Hill speaking)

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