Training scars aren’t real

[Gun Kraft]

Dunno about video, but this looks like a post from the guy:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?38540-Lessons-Learned-In-Combat

So, what did I do when it was time for me to reload my M16 that fateful day? I pressed the magazine release, pulled the empty magazine out of the mag well and inserted the empty magazine back into one of my mag pouches.

[1911su16b870]

I remember Paul's story from 2010 and Costa alluding to it...

Here are his takeaways:

For a quick summary, here are the mistakes I made in combat that I believe led to my severe injury and permanent disability:

Assuming I killed the bad guy with one shot to the torso area
Performing such a slow reload
Retaining my empty magazine during the middle of such an intense gunfight
Stowing an empty magazine in the same location as my fresh magazines
Looking down at my weapon while reloading instead of downrange in the direction of the threat(s)
Having my rifle in the Low Ready while reloading
Standing bladed and not taking advantage of the protection that my ballistic plates offered

My personal take-aways from this story:

If one shot is good...more is better
Train to subconscious competence with your gear (loading, running etc.)
Ammo (in mags) earns its place on board - empty mags are trash and treated as such - dropped
Work Space
Use your armor (Isosceles) stance

[SG29736]

A lot of people think things see other shooters do is cteating a training scar. But they think nothing they themselves do will create one. Some people think in a self defense situation a competition shooter will get killed waiting for a start signal from the timer. But I see a few more tactical shooters at competitions who when finished will do an almost exaggerated scan left and right and behind them, then holster their gun. But this doesn't create a training scar holstering after observing people with guns behind you?

I actually don't believe scanning and holstering createsa training scar but I also don't believe a competion shooter will be waiting for the beep when the shooting begins.
.

[19K]

Dunno about video, but this looks like a post from the guy:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?38540-Lessons-Learned-In-Combat

So, what did I do when it was time for me to reload my M16 that fateful day? I pressed the magazine release, pulled the empty magazine out of the mag well and inserted the empty magazine back into one of my mag pouches.

[Mute]

They most certainly can be real. I'll give you an example. Since I do teach, one of the things I often see is that new students will develop the best fundamentals easier than someone who's had more shooting experience but have some ingrained habits that need to be overcome. For example, a proper grip on a pistol. Most new shooters, once I help them make corrections to get into a good grip will keep with it, with some minor adjustments here and there. With the more experienced shooter who comes into class with a less than idea grip, when I make adjustments, even though their shooting performance improves, wind up going back to their old ways because it's been so ingrained. I find myself reminding them to make the adjustment more often than the newer shooters. It takes quite a few repetitions to break them out of those established ways. I would definitely consider this an example of training scars.

[Scotty]

If you don't have to consciously think about doing an action, that means you learned it through training. It's that simple.

[Doheny]

Not sure what the point of the OP is...to dispel the myth of the brass-in-the-pocket part of the Newhall incident (which most of us already knew) or to talk about training scars.

[TurboChrisB]

I have a friend who is a Swat Medic trainer for the Feds. Last year during training for combat CAT application, they had trainees take cover and call 911 instead of dragging their buddy to cover...........

Fed whats? I can only assume you're talking about Fed LEO's. I have a hard time believing that LEO's are being trained to disengage and call 911 (in essence....the police calling the police)

So, the police take fire.....back off and call 911. Police show up...crap we're taking fire, back off and THEY call 911. See where I'm going with this?

Am I missing something here?

[IrishJoe3]

Fed whats? I can only assume you're talking about Fed LEO's. I have a hard time believing that LEO's are being trained to disengage and call 911 (in essence....the police calling the police)

So, the police take fire.....back off and call 911. Police show up...crap we're taking fire, back off and THEY call 911. See where I'm going with this?

Am I missing something here?

My take was the trainee in the scenario, instead of engaging as was supposed to do, simply backed off and called 911.

[Mithrandir13]

My son goes to a new school.... half the time I nearly turn towards his old school on the way to drop him off in the morning....

So......