Conflicted on CCW Resert

[damon1272]

None are even a hundred times as bad as Alec Baldwin.

So they've got that going for 'em.

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This is true. No one died.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

The last renewal I did the lady next to me dropped her pistol twice. Still passed.

[Mark49]

In perfect world, someone should set him aside and offer some help in shooting skills. We need every pro-2nd we can get.

My story: One of my clients was a Vietnam nurse and now owns a printing shop in Downtown San Bernardino. She bought a shield.

At the ripe old age of 80 she couldn't rack the slide with her left hand. The SBCSD allowed her an exception, to allow her to reverse to her weak hand and rack it with her strong hand. She and I have been to the range many times now, all she needed was a little bit of help.

[Foothills]

In perfect world, someone should set him aside and offer some help in shooting skills. We need every pro-2nd we can get.

My story: One of my clients was a Vietnam nurse and now owns a printing shop in Downtown San Bernardino. She bought a shield.

At the ripe old age of 80 she couldn't rack the slide with her left hand. The SBCSD allowed her an exception, to allow her to reverse to her weak hand and rack it with her strong hand. She and I have been to the range many times now, all she needed was a little bit of help.

And they subsequently created the Shield EZ for these customers.

[G-forceJunkie]

And they subsequently created the Shield EZ for these customers.

And revolvers

[johncage]

90% of the people on the road shouldn't be driving either, but they have licenses. and cars are arguably far more dangerous than guns in an everyday context.

when it comes to anything, the majority of people have no business being involved. but they have the right and the choice to do so. the fact that they don't take such tasks seriously and hurt themselves/others is not a justification for the extortion and infringement imposed upon the 2a, it's an indictment on the public for allowing such vital skills to become vestigial and for modern people to adopt such dismissive attitudes that leads to complacency. in a perfect world, many gun owners would be sent to boot camp and have someone yell in their face everyday until they "get it"

can you imagine when self driving cars become a thing? will they start imposing more extortion and licensing schemes on those who chose to drive manually?

[anoblefox]

when I took my first ccw class there was a older woman who could not even hit the paper and was reckless about muzzle sweep. Also a man managed somehow to have a malfunctioning pistol and when the instructor checked the problem the person had somehow managed to get a round in BACKWARDS in the magazine! I remember thinking neither of these persons should be issued a carry permit and walk around everywhere. I feel they should simply get more training before qualifying for a permit; nothing says they cannot have a firearm, since THAT is their right. Just my thoughts about the topic.

[FeuerFrei]

Point taken.

I am wondering about how this shooter got to the class and not being able to operate his pistol. It must be assumed that he was accepted into class because he obviously passed his "safe gun handling demo" at the lgs that sold it to him. Right?

Maybe a demo would be a good step to incorporate into the class. Quality assurance kinda thing. Safety should be part of the business model IMO.

I've had poor experiences with renewal classes.

Example: shooter in the station next to me was shooting with the same pistol I was using and was inserting the bullets into the magazine backwards. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I never would have seen it. I offered to assist and got it straighten out.
Shooter passed the class.

Keep your head on a swivel people.

[FeuerFrei]

when I took my first ccw class there was a older woman who could not even hit the paper and was reckless about muzzle sweep. Also a man managed somehow to have a malfunctioning pistol and when the instructor checked the problem the person had somehow managed to get a round in BACKWARDS in the magazine! I remember thinking neither of these persons should be issued a carry permit and walk around everywhere. I feel they should simply get more training before qualifying for a permit; nothing says they cannot have a firearm, since THAT is their right. Just my thoughts about the topic.

Apparently this is more common than I thought.

[Oxnard_Montalvo]

when I took my first ccw class there was a older woman who could not even hit the paper and was reckless about muzzle sweep. Also a man managed somehow to have a malfunctioning pistol and when the instructor checked the problem the person had somehow managed to get a round in BACKWARDS in the magazine! I remember thinking neither of these persons should be issued a carry permit and walk around everywhere. I feel they should simply get more training before qualifying for a permit; nothing says they cannot have a firearm, since THAT is their right. Just my thoughts about the topic.

"had somehow managed to get a round in BACKWARDS in the magazine!"

Does he work in the marketing department at Heckler & Koch? That could explain it...

[Rcjackrabbit]

So before we get started I am conservative as the day is long and believe the 2A is an inalienable right. I also believe that one should be able to carry.
Went for my resert class yesterday and one of the guys in there had no business even owning a gun or carrying. He couldn’t operate his weapon, know how to lock the slide back, wear a holster, or not flag everyone multiple times.
The target was the safest thing to hide behind. 15 shots-2 on target. Really really bad. The upshot was the instructor failed him and wouldn’t sign off on any weapons.
That’s where I am conflicted, I hate the laws about carrying but was glad to see some review and approval as this individual should never carry a gun.

I have experienced the exact same thing!!!! One guy put it perfectly.

"Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. But, not everyone should." That being said, there should be no such thing as a CCW. You should be able to carry what you want, where you want at all times.

Face it. Some people are hopelessly retarded. You know this is true when you see people driving down the road by themselves with a mask on. A huge percentage of our population is flat out stupid.

Most importantly, not everyone that owns a gun is a fighter. Being a fighter is what determines whether you live or die in a violent encounter. You can't buy that at a gun store.

[Oxnard_Montalvo]

I have experienced the exact same thing!!!! One guy put it perfectly.

"Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. But, not everyone should." That being said, there should be no such thing as a CCW. You should be able to carry what you want, where you want at all times.

Face it. Some people are hopelessly retarded. You know this is true when you see people driving down the road by themselves with a mask on. A huge percentage of our population is flat out stupid.

Most importantly, not everyone that owns a gun is a fighter. Being a fighter is what determines whether you live or die in a violent encounter. You can't buy that at a gun store.

"Most importantly, not everyone that owns a gun is a fighter. Being a fighter is what determines whether you live or die in a violent encounter."

The comments about people's issues are exclusively regarding what happened at training/qualification not about how these people might react in a real world situation.

I [and my group] had the opportunity to use one of those million dollar computer controlled simulators y'all read about for an afternoon with all classes of weapon system available from M9's all the way up to M2's. We'd do various scenarios [patrol/vehicle checkpoint/etc] with different encounters such as suicide bombers/armed attackers/etc. and after we would do an encounter there would be an after action discussion before we saw where the shots went.

On the first encounter everyone was excited that they 'got the bad guy' but when we saw where the shots actually went it became clear that, for the most part, the 'bad guy' was quite safe because the shots went everywhere but where he was - and that was when everyone knew something bad was going to happen and were kinda ready for it. Sure everyone got better as we did more scenarios but the only real test was the first one just like in real life.

[Mustard]

At my last qual I observed an older gentleman shaking like he had Parkinson's handling his weapon: holstering, unholstering, shooting, reloading gun and magazines, it was painful to watch and scary to be in his vicinity.

Also saw a lady with a shield crossing her support side thumb over her firing hand, risking slide bite. Lucky for her, her grip was so atrociously low on the gun she didn't get bit, but damn.....

[bohoki]

yea there are now 25 states that are a free for all yet somehow the bloodbath of accidental discharges hasn't happened

[SharedShots]

How easily people get into the permit thing and think that is what qualifies anyone to carry a gun.

How many people involved in a HD/SD use of a gun have a lot of formal training? More than likely - few. The little old lady who wards off some burglar probably has never had any training past maybe one time at a range just to see how the gun works. There is an equal chance she's never fired it at all, she bought it, got some rounds, loaded it and it sits there until that one day she picks it up because someone broke into her home and she defended herself, shaking hands and all that. She's probably done more in those seconds than almost anyone here.

Should you have training? Its a good idea. Must you? According to whom, those who sit in judgement of others when it comes to carrying or owning a gun? Where do all the gun laws in CA come from? That thinking right there; others who seek to impose their values for gun ownership or use on others. Almost all the comments in this thread talking about other people who appeared to be scary or not qualified read just like the comments made by progressives and liberals who gladly impose gun control laws on everyone else. The only difference is who is saying it. Those comments are the basis for demanding gun owners carry insurance or doesn't that enter into anyone's mind?

Truth be told, there are plenty of people who look great at a range, can run through some room clearing exercises and then when confronted with a real life or death situation pee their pants, but they sure do talk a good game.

Not everyone spends all their free time at some range nor do they shoot thousands or even hundreds of rounds a year yet more people who shoot almost never are the ones who are just as likely to be successful in defending themselves with a gun, be it at home or out and about - it's just in California where the typical uppity stuff comes from and why so many people in other states look at Californians and want little or nothing to do with them, especially in the gun owner community.

A permit turns a right into a privilege yet look how many right here go right along with it. Almost half the country doesn't give one darn bit about some permit or you having to prove to anyone you have the right. So easily some forget that. It' a California thing.







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